Is lemmy.ml turn into authoritarian? - eviltoast

I just realised, I can’t post anything on lemmy.ml

So, I checked https://lemmy.ml/modlog, there’s a new moderator.

All posts and comments talking about China, Jinping, Russia, and Putin have been deleted and users banned

  • Buffalox@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    Obviously a bit thin skinned, but IMO lemmy.ml can do what they want with their moderation. It is not anybody else’s decision how they moderate, except of course keeping it legal.

    Seems to me almost all those comments are somewhat offensive, for instance calling people tankies, claiming they should go back under their stone, and frequently use the word fuck, as if those are some sort of argument. I’m guessing rule 2 is something about not being rude. Personally I find that perfectly OK not to allow rude comments.

    OP should “read the room” and terms better, then maybe they could have a proper debate.

    PS:

    Rule 2 of lemmy.ml includes: "Be respectful, especially when disagreeing. " Clearly that rule is ignored over and over again by the above user.

    I’m shocked the statement that lemmy.ml can moderate as they want is in any way controversial, yet here we are, and this post has about a third downvotes.

    • A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world
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      Lemmy dot ml is like, one step away from becoming another Lemmygrad.

      and I think thats probably by design, Since lemmygrad is defederated from a lot of the better instances, what better way to get back into them than to take over a federated instance.

      Especially when the admins and lemmy creators are down with your tankie ideology and support you taking over the instance.

    • thoro@lemmy.world
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      This is the only good take I’ve read on this thread so far. People are mad their opinions, vitriol, and/or FUD aren’t tacitly approved by the mods of another instance.

      • Buffalox@lemmy.world
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        1 year ago

        Thank you. I find it sad that so many people don’t seem to understand that their right to free speech, is not a right to dictate other people, or force themselves on whatever forum they want.

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        This is also up to them.

        No it’s not, they may walk the line, but if they cross it, the law will ultimately be enforced. So in the long run, a service can only exist if it is kept legal.

        Posts like this posted here from time to time.

        I’m not sure what you mean, but yes there are repeated attacks on lemmy.ml, and it’s getting tiring, because it always turns out to be very speculative, and not really an issue.

        an instance has a very strong political view and even a censorship

        They are moderating according to their own rules. Rule 2: “Be respectful, especially when disagreeing. Everyone should feel welcome here.” Clearly the above poster violated this rule over and over.

        It looks like an instance and community policies must be somehow better visible.

        That’s a completely different debate.

        • Socsa@sh.itjust.works
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          That rule is enforced capriciously and randomly. I just caught a rule 2 ban (I’m in the screenshot) for using the word “genocide” in a way they don’t like.

          Meanwhile, I’ve reported literally dozens of hexbears for posting their pig shit memes and not a single one got removed. Apparently that’s more respectful than wrongthink.

            • assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world
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              Let me get this straight. You defend the moderation by suggesting that most of the removed comments were offensive or rude. But when someone provides a counterexample to that, you tell them to just go somewhere else if they don’t like the moderation?

              Yeah it’s pretty fucking obvious you’re not acting in good faith here. You don’t see anything wrong with what their mod team does, even if it’s to ban dissenting opinions.

      • Buffalox@lemmy.world
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        1 year ago

        Truly sad to see a majority is down voting this, meaning they believe free speech includes how a lemmy instance is moderated?!

    • Corgana@startrek.website
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      About 30% (just my estimate) of the people here from Reddit had a problem with mods having too much freedom granted to them by Spez. There is an irony that such people would be attracted to a decentralized network where instances have even more freedom to shape their communities, but as you said- it doesn’t really matter what people think when anyone can go start their own.

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          Just my estimate based on observation. It’s been my experience that most of the people on the Fediverse seem to want strong moderation tools, but there’s definitley a contingent that would prefer a looser form of moderation (or none at all). The cool thing about the Fediverse is that both can peacefully coexist.

          • ram@bookwormstory.social
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            The cool thing about the Fediverse is that both can peacefully coexist.

            Ya I love this feature of the platform. Some instances can be strict on what content they want to have (e.g. beehaw and exploding-heads) while others can be the libertarian platform of their dreams (e.g. personal instances).

            It would be interesting to see some polling on this, but I’m no statistician and wouldn’t be able to perform it in a way that wouldn’t be bias, nor could I account for that bias. 😔

    • Socsa@sh.itjust.works
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      Yeah the first ban I got was warranted, but this time it was just using the word “genocide” consistently with the UN definition. That’s chilling as fuck and goes way beyond simple “stated moderation standards.” That’s straight up information warfare.

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        “Don’t worry, if you correctly call this a genocide, hexbear will ban you for genocide denial without a hint of irony.”

        If you were already on thin ice, this shouldn’t have really been a surprise. Like most internet dwellers who get banned somewhere you’re dressing up your offending comment to make it seem like persecution, but while it’s not a heinous comment on its own, but if you have history I can absolutely see a mod not wanting to deal with you trolling the hexbears. And it certainly wasn’t just “using the word genocide”.