US supreme court strikes down affirmative action - eviltoast
    • queermunist@lemmy.world
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      1 year ago

      “I want to attend your school just like my grandfather” = This is fine

      “I want to attend your school because my grandfather wasn’t allowed to” = This is not

      Think about that for a second.

        • queermunist@lemmy.world
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          Absolutely.

          And until that’s the case, there’s a clear double standard that benefits white people.

            • queermunist@lemmy.world
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              This is a bad take.

              Racial admissions existed to counter the other injustice - an imperfect solution to the inherent racism of legacy admissions.

              Now that affirmative action has ended, the injustice of legacy admissions has been made even worse. Racism is now the law.

              And it will never end.

              • SpacemanZ@lemmy.world
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                Racism is now the law.

                So we need laws to not be racist? This is an insanely pessimistic take that nothing has improved the issue of racism in the US.

                • masquenox@lemmy.world
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                  It’s not pessimistic - it’s simply an honest understanding of how white supremacism is fundamental to the US. To be clear, things like affirmative action didn’t really improve things all that much - it was a band-aid on a traumatic amputation - but it was at least something.

                  • SpacemanZ@lemmy.world
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                    It was a good band-aid for the time because racism was a massive problem back then, though, I sincerely doubt it’s needed today. I’m not saying racism isn’t a problem today, but the idea that universities must be regulated for them to accept non-white applications ignores the strides we’ve taken as a society. We don’t need the band-aid anymore.

          • TheCraiggers@lemmy.world
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            A pure merit-based approach also overwhelming benefits white people though, because they have a lot more generational income to help their kids get ahead in life.

            • BombOmOm@lemmy.world
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              Hook me up with that generational wealth. The ATM doesn’t accept race as a condition for providing money.

    • RIotingPacifist@lemmy.world
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      But asking them who their father is is fine?

      If people gave a shit about fairness they’d care about legacy admission more than affirmative action.

      • The Picard Maneuver@lemmy.world
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        No, that’s not fine either and should also be outlawed due to a history of systemic racism giving some people an advantage over others.

        It should be 100% merit based, plain and simple. It’s the only fair way.

        • RIotingPacifist@lemmy.world
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          Funny how we addressed the tool that helped black kids first, rather than the one that hurt them.

          Maybe it’s because this is being pushed by bad people, that you seem to agree with under some fantasy of “100% merit based” reality.

          Systemic biases exist, AA compensated for them banking AA is basically pretending this nation isn’t racist AF.

        • kofe@lemmy.world
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          That’s not how it’s going to play out in reality, unfortunately. I truly wish it were.

        • RIotingPacifist@lemmy.world
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          You can never change who your parents are, that’s some real mental gymnastics to justify how hereditary acceptance criteria is good actually, but using race to identify those underservered by k-12 education, lacking in family connections, not having knowledge of college specific tricks to getting accepted & generally having less resources available to do the extra-ciricular activity to get in, and compensate for that bias is bad.

          Affirmative action is only silly if you don’t accept that systemic racism exists.