I know a lot of folks in this thread are taking the piss but imagine you are a single mother on a limited / min wage income working 2 jobs and a kid or two to feed. You need food that doesn’t spoil and that you are certain your kids will eat (can’t afford to waste it) and that doesn’t require much if any time to prepare (you don’t have time). This is how you get shopping carts like this.
People posting the Russian borscht or whatever don’t get it, there are people out there that simply can’t spend an hour or whatever cooking.
Maybe you don’t want to spend the 20 mins you have with your kid that isn’t getting them ready for bed fighting about broccoli or whatever. My point is free/extremely cheap, easy access to healthy prepared foods is the solution to shopping carts like this not shaming people for their food selections. Hardly anybody over the age of 7 would intentionally choose to eat like this.
Don’t you fucking lecture me like you know me or my family we’ve known plenty of struggles.
Giving your kid something other than junk food is not a luxury or a privellage it’s the absolute bare minimum for being a parent.
Rice and beans is cheaper and healthier than any of the shit in that cart, I know because for years that’s what I ate when I couldn’t have afforded the garbage in this cart.
And if your children just steadfastly refused to eat rice or beans? For hours. Every day? And you didn’t have the spare time or energy to work out a cheap and healthy food solution because you have a chronic illness and you’re working 12 hours a day to afford a roof?
Not denying your experience at all, but don’t deny others’ experiences either. I’ve lived through periods of it as a kid, and seen it as an uncle; there certainly are struggles that can make that kind of lifestyle effectively impossible for hardworking and loving parents to achieve.
Do you have kids? I would have thought the same before becoming a parent but raising kids is really hard particularly without any support networks. Everyone is just trying to do the best they can. I try really hard not to judge other people’s parenting, the only shitty parenting is being absent or abusive imo. Any parenting that raises kids to be happy, healthy and loved is good parenting in my book.
I’ve got plenty of friends who are great parents that feed their kid nothing but buttered pasta and vitamins bc it is all they will eat. There’s no reasoning with a five year old and if you draw a hard line you will both be miserable. You can’t “make” them eat anything, they are individuals with agency.
Yea I do have a kid and if it were up to her she’d have bacon or sausage for breakfast chicken noodle soup for lunch and a cheeseburger and French fries for dinner every day. But that would be a terrible diet so she also has to eat her veggies if she wants desert after dinner. It’s really not that hard and just giving your kids junk food because you don’t want to parent should be child abuse.
If you can’t draw a firm line with a 5 year old you’re a bad parent. You might both he miserable for a couple minutes until they realize they aren’t getting something else so it’s eat dinner or be hungry. And it’s way better than being miserable for your whole life because you let your kids walk all over you.
So buy broccoli and cook it well and if she don’t eat you can afford it. What about people who can’t afford to scrape nothing into the trash? It’s not like most people don’t know they should eat healthier. They just can’t afford they kid to refuse and pitch a fit, financially or emotionally.
Yeah a box/bag of oatmeal would easily be cheaper than that box of cereal, takes three minutes to cook, and would be much healthier than the cereal, even if you need to add a bunch of sugar to it to make it palatable to kids.
This photograph is just a unique situation that seems to occur in industrialised nations with food deserts. Where this kind of food can be made very cheaply, and even the poor have the purchasing power to afford it. These kind of ready made meals and snacks are usually very expensive in South Africa (except for the ramen/two minute noodles, those are always cheap). No way would a poor person here buy some microwave pizza over a bag of rice or pap.
If it was all generic brands maybe I’d buy it but this is somebody acymtively spending significantly more money to avoid anything that could be considered a nutrient.
So, let’s cook like someone with limited money and time then.
1 box pasta, rice, or whatever other starch.
2 cans of veggies, which veggies is a matter of taste.
Cheese, whatever they like and isn’t too pricey.
Optionally meat, if you have room in the budget since we’re trying to do this on the cheap. Shop sales since meat is usually the most expensive thing.
Preheat oven. Mix all ingredients and toss in baking dish, either topping with the cheese or mixing the cheese in as well and topping with some breadcrumbs or similar. Bake.
This is filling, cheap to make, holds up for a few days so you can have leftovers, and the actual time you are directly acting to cook it is minimal. Vary each of the parts and you have a distinct dish in the class.
For a variation, use mashed potatoes (even cheap boxed ones), carrots, peas, and ground beef. Swap out the cheese for a jar of gravy and that’s Shepard’s pie.
I grew up in a povertous household that had the exact meal you describe about 300 days out of the year. Sure - If you’re used to making your own meals, this is fine.
But to a lot of people this will still be a lot of time, thought and energy they don’t feel able to give. And a lot of people who never learned cooking skills will feel daunted by it. If you’re dealing with a lot of stress at work and/or chaos at home, you’ll easily forget to turn off the baking and burn the whole dinner. It’s complex when compared to most of these products which are “open, (optionally microwave/add milk/etc) and eat.”
Without meat or copious cheese you’ll also start running low on protein, prompting need to complicate your dishes further by exploring weird foods you’ve never heard of or know how to prepare, like chickpeas.
I agree that kind of recipe is a good and relatively easy meal in the grand scheme of meals, but unfortunately it’s just rarely that straightforward.
But to a lot of people this will still be a lot of time, thought and energy they don’t feel able to give.
Part of the reason I was very vague about specific ingredients is because you can basically drop nearly anything of the general type into each slot and the result will generally work. Meaning it doesn’t take much thought, because just about anything will work passably.
And a lot of people who never learned cooking skills will feel daunted by it.
Part of the point is that it requires limited cooking skills - literally preheat the oven, mix the ingredients in a baking dish, when the oven dings put it in and set the timer. You may need to experiment the first couple of times because ovens and ingredients differ a little, but it’s pretty forgiving.
If you’re dealing with a lot of stress at work and/or chaos at home, you’ll easily forget to turn off the baking and burn the whole dinner.
That’s why there’s an oven timer on virtually all ovens, and you can set a timer on your phone as well. This also isn’t something you’ll burn if you go slightly over, it’s pretty forgiving. And if you do burn it a little, it’s probably just a crust on the top you can remove and save the rest of the pan.
It’s complex when compared to most of these products which are “open, (optionally microwave/add milk/etc) and eat.”
Yeah, but literally everything is. Unfortunately to eat better than instant garbage you have to put forth more effort than opening the package. But the whole point of the basic recipe structure I threw out is that you set the oven, can do all the prep work in less time than it takes the oven to preheat, set the timer on the oven when you put it in and now you’ve got at least a little time to relax/spend with the kids/spouse while it sits in the oven and cooks and you end up with real food to eat.
The main reason I laid out a casserole style dish instead of a stew or a curry is because a casserole goes in the oven and thus doesn’t require as much direct attention.
However, just last night I made a fancied up version of quick and cheap curry, but it’s a bit more complicated than the previous casserole (still doable in half an hour and doable by someone with limited cooking skills). For that you’ll need:
1 can coconut milk (ethnic foods section in most grocery stores, near other Asian stuff)
1 can tomato paste
1 Tbsp garam masala (this is a spice blend you can find at most grocery stores, either with the other spices or in the ethnic foods section near other Asian stuff)
Some kind of protein (I used chicken last night, I’ve made this with beef, tofu, and even mixed proteins before)
2 cans of veggies (used carrots and potatoes last night)
a few tablespoons of some kind of fat to fry the protein with - I used butter last night, I’ve used olive oil or even vegetable oil in the past.
Step 1: Heat up your fat in a saute pan (this is the one that looks like a skillet, but has a taller wall around the outside and usually a second handle on the far side from the handle - you can use a fry pan, but a saute pan is more convenient because this is the only pan we’ll be using to cook and the taller wall makes it easier to stir later on without spilling while not being too much of a pot to be comfortable to fry in)
Step 2: Cut your protein into pieces and fry it in the pan until it’s browned and cooked through.
Step 3: Remove the protein from the pan and set it aside on a plate.
Step 4: Empty the can of tomato paste and the tablespoon of garam masala spice mix into the pan with the remaining fat and whatever drippings your protein left behind.
Step 5: Reduce heat to low while stirring until the tomato paste turns a darker red and starts to loosen up.
Step 6: Empty the can of coconut milk into the pan, stir until everything is thoroughly mixed.
Step 7: Drain your canned veggies, then add the veggies to the pan and put the protein back in the pan.
Step 8: Let simmer on low, stirring occasionally until the sauce thickens to the point that it’s about as thick as an especially thick BBQ sauce.
Serve over rice, I recommend 90 second microwave rice, basmati rice if your store has it. You could actually cook rice on the stove at the same time if you wanted (you boil water, add the rice, get it back to a boil, then cover, drop the heat to low and don’t touch it for about 15 minutes) if you wanted to save money, but I’m trying to minimize time, effort, cleanup and how forgiving the recipe is here and I’m at around 20 minutes, one pan, one plate, a tablespoon and a spoon to stir and serve with.
When I say “fancied up”, I marinated my meat (chicken, used Angry Orchard Mango Ginger, soy sauce, and the same spices I was going to use in the sauce as the marinade) and added a few more spices to the process - garlic, chili powder, paprika, and curry powder all added at the same time as the garam masala.
Another cheap cooking tip - marinate beef in cheap lite beer overnight, the alcohol will help tenderize it and flavor it and a lot of cheaper cuts become a lot better as a consequence.
Without meat or copious cheese you’ll also start running low on protein, prompting need to complicate your dishes further by exploring weird foods you’ve never heard of or know how to prepare, like chickpeas.
You’ll note I specifically mentioned both, depending on budget. The general casserole structure is flexible enough that you buy meat on sale and whatever you get you can make work. If you’ve got freezer space, post-holiday clearance sales are great for ham. If you’re willing to learn a little bit and put up with a single weird food, tofu is extremely flexible and also cheap (about $1.50/lb around here), but I’d probably add a can of soup or jar of gravy into the mix of a casserole that tried to use tofu as it tends to soak up moisture (and flavor) like a sponge and you don’t want the result to be dry. I’d probably use more tofu at home, but my wife finds the texture unpleasant.
Yup this looks like what i grew up eating, being raised by poor uneducated parents. It’s all still very enticing but i try to not buy this kind of junk too often. Though ice cream is my weakness lmao.
I know a lot of folks in this thread are taking the piss but imagine you are a single mother on a limited / min wage income working 2 jobs and a kid or two to feed. You need food that doesn’t spoil and that you are certain your kids will eat (can’t afford to waste it) and that doesn’t require much if any time to prepare (you don’t have time). This is how you get shopping carts like this.
People posting the Russian borscht or whatever don’t get it, there are people out there that simply can’t spend an hour or whatever cooking.
I mean I get it but when I was a kid it was “shut up and eat what’s put in front of you”
Maybe you don’t want to spend the 20 mins you have with your kid that isn’t getting them ready for bed fighting about broccoli or whatever. My point is free/extremely cheap, easy access to healthy prepared foods is the solution to shopping carts like this not shaming people for their food selections. Hardly anybody over the age of 7 would intentionally choose to eat like this.
Letting your kid eat junk food because you don’t want to be the bad guy and make them eat vegetables is really shitty parenting.
This is not a binary choice argument. Some aspects of good parenting require privilege that not all families have.
People who have never suffered and struggled don’t get it.
Don’t you fucking lecture me like you know me or my family we’ve known plenty of struggles.
Giving your kid something other than junk food is not a luxury or a privellage it’s the absolute bare minimum for being a parent.
Rice and beans is cheaper and healthier than any of the shit in that cart, I know because for years that’s what I ate when I couldn’t have afforded the garbage in this cart.
Says the jerk lecturing others.
And if your children just steadfastly refused to eat rice or beans? For hours. Every day? And you didn’t have the spare time or energy to work out a cheap and healthy food solution because you have a chronic illness and you’re working 12 hours a day to afford a roof?
Not denying your experience at all, but don’t deny others’ experiences either. I’ve lived through periods of it as a kid, and seen it as an uncle; there certainly are struggles that can make that kind of lifestyle effectively impossible for hardworking and loving parents to achieve.
They refuse until you make ot clear it’s that or be hungry.
And then they eat.
Sorry, not entertaining the argument that not parenting your kids is fine because it’s hard to do it.
Do you have kids? I would have thought the same before becoming a parent but raising kids is really hard particularly without any support networks. Everyone is just trying to do the best they can. I try really hard not to judge other people’s parenting, the only shitty parenting is being absent or abusive imo. Any parenting that raises kids to be happy, healthy and loved is good parenting in my book.
I’ve got plenty of friends who are great parents that feed their kid nothing but buttered pasta and vitamins bc it is all they will eat. There’s no reasoning with a five year old and if you draw a hard line you will both be miserable. You can’t “make” them eat anything, they are individuals with agency.
Yea I do have a kid and if it were up to her she’d have bacon or sausage for breakfast chicken noodle soup for lunch and a cheeseburger and French fries for dinner every day. But that would be a terrible diet so she also has to eat her veggies if she wants desert after dinner. It’s really not that hard and just giving your kids junk food because you don’t want to parent should be child abuse.
If you can’t draw a firm line with a 5 year old you’re a bad parent. You might both he miserable for a couple minutes until they realize they aren’t getting something else so it’s eat dinner or be hungry. And it’s way better than being miserable for your whole life because you let your kids walk all over you.
I’m gonna disengage here bc this is an emotionally charged topic and I don’t see it going anywhere productive.
So buy broccoli and cook it well and if she don’t eat you can afford it. What about people who can’t afford to scrape nothing into the trash? It’s not like most people don’t know they should eat healthier. They just can’t afford they kid to refuse and pitch a fit, financially or emotionally.
You dont throw it out you tell your kid that’s what’s for dinner.
If you can’t afford to throw something into he trash not sure how that means you can afford to cook an entirely separate meal.
Again, sorry not accepting the argument that it’s ok to not parent your kids because it’s tough.
oh no doubt this is a poverty related malnutrition issue
Those are all name brand snacks every one of those items costs as much as a more healthy meal.
Yeah a box/bag of oatmeal would easily be cheaper than that box of cereal, takes three minutes to cook, and would be much healthier than the cereal, even if you need to add a bunch of sugar to it to make it palatable to kids.
This photograph is just a unique situation that seems to occur in industrialised nations with food deserts. Where this kind of food can be made very cheaply, and even the poor have the purchasing power to afford it. These kind of ready made meals and snacks are usually very expensive in South Africa (except for the ramen/two minute noodles, those are always cheap). No way would a poor person here buy some microwave pizza over a bag of rice or pap.
Yea that stuff is not cheap here.
If it was all generic brands maybe I’d buy it but this is somebody acymtively spending significantly more money to avoid anything that could be considered a nutrient.
No it’s somebody doing a shitty bit
Tell that to the dozen people saying it’s classist to judge this person.
This particular cart is a bad bit though bc everything is name brand
Great, that tactic worked for you. That tactic does not work for all children, or households.
sounds like you had abusive parents
“Making kids eat things other than junk food is abuse”
Jesus fucking christ I thought we peaked with the “homework is authoritarianism” struggle session yesterday
Is anybody on this site over the age of 14?
You just going to gloss over the “shut up” part, and assume it’s the lack of junk food?
I don’t think so I think I just had tired parents who didn’t have time to cook me a separate dinner if I was being fussy
Huh, I thought it was a choice between eating nothing and eating what was put in front of you. Which for me meant no dinner on pasta nights.
well no because you would just eat the pasta
Nah, it makes me gag. I’ll eat it out of politeness, but not because I’m hungry
then it would be breakfast the next morning and eventually you would eat the pasta
Sounds like your parents died young of heart conditions
Everybody forgetting about us “latch-key kids since age 6” gang?
A lot of the stuff in that cart can be cooked in a microwave, toaster or oven. Put it in, set the temp/timer, and that’s it.
Pizza roll and bagel bites gang rise up!
So, let’s cook like someone with limited money and time then.
1 box pasta, rice, or whatever other starch. 2 cans of veggies, which veggies is a matter of taste. Cheese, whatever they like and isn’t too pricey. Optionally meat, if you have room in the budget since we’re trying to do this on the cheap. Shop sales since meat is usually the most expensive thing.
Preheat oven. Mix all ingredients and toss in baking dish, either topping with the cheese or mixing the cheese in as well and topping with some breadcrumbs or similar. Bake.
This is filling, cheap to make, holds up for a few days so you can have leftovers, and the actual time you are directly acting to cook it is minimal. Vary each of the parts and you have a distinct dish in the class.
For a variation, use mashed potatoes (even cheap boxed ones), carrots, peas, and ground beef. Swap out the cheese for a jar of gravy and that’s Shepard’s pie.
I grew up in a povertous household that had the exact meal you describe about 300 days out of the year. Sure - If you’re used to making your own meals, this is fine.
But to a lot of people this will still be a lot of time, thought and energy they don’t feel able to give. And a lot of people who never learned cooking skills will feel daunted by it. If you’re dealing with a lot of stress at work and/or chaos at home, you’ll easily forget to turn off the baking and burn the whole dinner. It’s complex when compared to most of these products which are “open, (optionally microwave/add milk/etc) and eat.”
Without meat or copious cheese you’ll also start running low on protein, prompting need to complicate your dishes further by exploring weird foods you’ve never heard of or know how to prepare, like chickpeas.
I agree that kind of recipe is a good and relatively easy meal in the grand scheme of meals, but unfortunately it’s just rarely that straightforward.
Part of the reason I was very vague about specific ingredients is because you can basically drop nearly anything of the general type into each slot and the result will generally work. Meaning it doesn’t take much thought, because just about anything will work passably.
Part of the point is that it requires limited cooking skills - literally preheat the oven, mix the ingredients in a baking dish, when the oven dings put it in and set the timer. You may need to experiment the first couple of times because ovens and ingredients differ a little, but it’s pretty forgiving.
That’s why there’s an oven timer on virtually all ovens, and you can set a timer on your phone as well. This also isn’t something you’ll burn if you go slightly over, it’s pretty forgiving. And if you do burn it a little, it’s probably just a crust on the top you can remove and save the rest of the pan.
Yeah, but literally everything is. Unfortunately to eat better than instant garbage you have to put forth more effort than opening the package. But the whole point of the basic recipe structure I threw out is that you set the oven, can do all the prep work in less time than it takes the oven to preheat, set the timer on the oven when you put it in and now you’ve got at least a little time to relax/spend with the kids/spouse while it sits in the oven and cooks and you end up with real food to eat.
The main reason I laid out a casserole style dish instead of a stew or a curry is because a casserole goes in the oven and thus doesn’t require as much direct attention.
However, just last night I made a fancied up version of quick and cheap curry, but it’s a bit more complicated than the previous casserole (still doable in half an hour and doable by someone with limited cooking skills). For that you’ll need:
1 can coconut milk (ethnic foods section in most grocery stores, near other Asian stuff)
1 can tomato paste
1 Tbsp garam masala (this is a spice blend you can find at most grocery stores, either with the other spices or in the ethnic foods section near other Asian stuff)
Some kind of protein (I used chicken last night, I’ve made this with beef, tofu, and even mixed proteins before)
2 cans of veggies (used carrots and potatoes last night)
a few tablespoons of some kind of fat to fry the protein with - I used butter last night, I’ve used olive oil or even vegetable oil in the past.
Step 1: Heat up your fat in a saute pan (this is the one that looks like a skillet, but has a taller wall around the outside and usually a second handle on the far side from the handle - you can use a fry pan, but a saute pan is more convenient because this is the only pan we’ll be using to cook and the taller wall makes it easier to stir later on without spilling while not being too much of a pot to be comfortable to fry in)
Step 2: Cut your protein into pieces and fry it in the pan until it’s browned and cooked through.
Step 3: Remove the protein from the pan and set it aside on a plate.
Step 4: Empty the can of tomato paste and the tablespoon of garam masala spice mix into the pan with the remaining fat and whatever drippings your protein left behind.
Step 5: Reduce heat to low while stirring until the tomato paste turns a darker red and starts to loosen up.
Step 6: Empty the can of coconut milk into the pan, stir until everything is thoroughly mixed.
Step 7: Drain your canned veggies, then add the veggies to the pan and put the protein back in the pan.
Step 8: Let simmer on low, stirring occasionally until the sauce thickens to the point that it’s about as thick as an especially thick BBQ sauce.
Serve over rice, I recommend 90 second microwave rice, basmati rice if your store has it. You could actually cook rice on the stove at the same time if you wanted (you boil water, add the rice, get it back to a boil, then cover, drop the heat to low and don’t touch it for about 15 minutes) if you wanted to save money, but I’m trying to minimize time, effort, cleanup and how forgiving the recipe is here and I’m at around 20 minutes, one pan, one plate, a tablespoon and a spoon to stir and serve with.
When I say “fancied up”, I marinated my meat (chicken, used Angry Orchard Mango Ginger, soy sauce, and the same spices I was going to use in the sauce as the marinade) and added a few more spices to the process - garlic, chili powder, paprika, and curry powder all added at the same time as the garam masala.
Another cheap cooking tip - marinate beef in cheap lite beer overnight, the alcohol will help tenderize it and flavor it and a lot of cheaper cuts become a lot better as a consequence.
You’ll note I specifically mentioned both, depending on budget. The general casserole structure is flexible enough that you buy meat on sale and whatever you get you can make work. If you’ve got freezer space, post-holiday clearance sales are great for ham. If you’re willing to learn a little bit and put up with a single weird food, tofu is extremely flexible and also cheap (about $1.50/lb around here), but I’d probably add a can of soup or jar of gravy into the mix of a casserole that tried to use tofu as it tends to soak up moisture (and flavor) like a sponge and you don’t want the result to be dry. I’d probably use more tofu at home, but my wife finds the texture unpleasant.
Yup this looks like what i grew up eating, being raised by poor uneducated parents. It’s all still very enticing but i try to not buy this kind of junk too often. Though ice cream is my weakness lmao.