House Democratic lawmakers reportedly used a closed-door meeting earlier this week to vent their frustrations with progressive advocacy groups that have been driving constituent calls and pressuring the party to act like a genuine opposition force in the face of the Trump administration’s authoritarian assault on federal agencies and key programs.
bro dems just can’t stop bending over and gaping themselves for the conservatives, as if anyone wants them to do that lmao ANYTHING to avoid left wing populism. instead of dominating politics for decades with left wing populism let’s just gape ourselves publicly instead
Let me fix your headline “Sitting incumbents too comfortable to do their jobs annoyed that they are being pushed to do their jobs.”
The party leadership needs to step down.
Now I’m not saying that the Republican Party is a blatantly fascistic organization designed to re-concentrate all wealth and power into the hands of an aging white billionaire elite afraid of losing their power and want to “scorch the Earth” in revenge for the fact that they and their very specific view of “how things should be” can not last forever
And that the Democrats are not only complacent, but are actively in on the plan and intentionally aiding this grift by pretending to be an alternative choice of leadership that seeks to prevent this from happening, and doing the bare minimum to keep up that illusion to prevent real opposition from showing up.
Part of that plan is to get people to join up with the Democratic Party to resist the Republicans and steer them away from or at least discourage them from doing anything that would actually stop the Great Ominous Plan…
The reason this is so effective is because due to the way America’s Electoral System is, anything outside of the R’s or D’s is entirely unelectable no matter how many people vote.
Though this also means that if the Democrats ever lost control of their party to people who actually want to do something, it would threaten to destroy the Republican Party, and prevent anything like it from rearing its ugly head again. As it would become as demonized as the Nazi Party is in Germany.
But let’s just say that that was exactly the case…
What would the D’s and R’s be doing differently?
This is where I sit. Either the Dems are controlled opposition, or they’re actually this incompetent. Does it matter? Do you even need to get conspiratorial? No, they’re unqualified and should be replaced.
Right? Like, I used to think they were just naive, but they’re too damn good at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
It’s like the old saying goes, when Democrats make a firing line the first thing they do is form a circle.
What would the D’s and R’s be doing differently?
You’re about to find out.
a closed-door meeting earlier this week to vent their frustrations with progressive advocacy groups
This tracks.
The party is functionally dead. If they don’t come out with absolute opposition we will be stuck with a single party for the rest of our lives.
This is sadly the truth.
Can Chuck Schumer go jump down a well please? Fuck the DNC’s “centrist” republicrat agenda. Return to progressivism you archaic troglodytes.
If certain Dems aren’t going to do anything constructive, then they need to get out of the damn way and put people like AOC in charge.
Hey Democrats, why don’t you form another couple of committees and release some weak statements condemning the other side while doing fuck-all. Clearly, it’s gotten you this far, so why not just keep treading that same old road? It’s frustrating to see the Democrats get beaten over the head again and again and learning the wrong lesson. FUCKING DO SOMETHING.
Fucking shit heads. I hope they [redacted].
“Forcing recorded votes is possible. Frequent quorum calls are possible. A wide variety of dilatory motions are possible. In short, harassing the majority is possible. If they think it’s a bad idea, say so. If they say it’s not possible, they’re lying.”
I like how politicians voting is considered a time out. It’s their job, jfc.
Remember all the times people said “Push for bills so when Republicans vote no it’s on the record for election season?”.
As if Republicans can see anything but the Republican next to the first person’s name in a ballot.
“But if our votes are recorded, our
voterscorporate donors will know we voted against them!”Right? This is about providing political cover to centrists who take money from the same oligarchs as conservatives. They just want to pretend they are on our side.
Hay man, they’re on our side! When it hardly matters.
They actually can’t force votes though, so we’d be getting the same votes and we already knew whenever Republicans stepped out from the ranks such as the Hegseth confirmation where 3 of them abstained but he got appointed anyways. Recorded Votes doesn’t stop the Trump admin. The Dems are effectively powerless without 13 Ind + Gop to impeach and remove him or his cabinet members or corrupt federal judges.
Leeja is cool but her opinion was that they’re running their tiktok accounts wrong and they were born in the wrong year.
What specifically would YOU do to stop what the Trump admin is doing?
Lmao, I can’t believe that’s what you got from the video. That was not remotely her point. Her entire point is that the Democrats should be using everything within their polical power to obstruct and delay everything the Trump Admin is trying to do. She gave multiple examples of exactly how they can do that. That’s the bare minimum the Democratic Party should be doing. I already participate in local community organizations.
What is it YOU think is in their political power? Specifically.
People didn’t vote dems into power and that is why we are in the situation we have now.
Here’s an entire comprehensive list. Which was, again, discussed in Leeja Miller’s video…
The Democrats are responsible for losing this election to an unpopular fascist by failing to represent the demands that the majority of their constituents were demanding. Start demanding more from your representatives.
You have incredible patience.
So you want them to do the things they’re already doing to delay votes that will happen in short matter regardless of what they do?
Reminder that only simple majority of 51 breaks filibuster for cabinet and judge confirmation hearings since 2013 and 2017 respectively. The DNC stalled for 30 hours because they were allowed to by the GOP, and the hearing still went through as planned. Nothing can stop this.
It sure is neat how powerless the minority has suddenly become.
Remember when the democrats had everything for a few years and did basically nothing and kept blaming the republican minority apparently that was bullshit and actually the minority has no power. So either the dems are liars or damned liars.
Democrats have had less than 50 for over a decade, nothing sudden about it.
Simultaneously,
They just want money and plausible deniability. Any one of these Dems can just be bought like a repub
Wow I can’t believe those fake congresspersons on that parody news site would say that. Thank you for bringing this into real political discussions. /s
Vote a little harder next time it’ll save us
It would have saved us, yeah.
I feel bad for if you truly believe that. At best we’d get democrats kicking the can for 4 years, making 0 progress, then trump or another ghoul gets elected in 2028 and all this still happens
My idea of voting harder is more than 50 Dems, which hasn’t happened in many years, then they could consider taking the Filibuster off for a while.
Ideally 60 Dems, enough to pass all of their platform without being filibustered and without giving Republicans a chance to fight back.
We haven’t even tried that but everybody in here is so ready to blame Dems for not being in charge.
“we’ve tried nothing and we’re all out ideas”
Progressives need to start their own party. The establishment DNC is so entrenched with big donors and lobbyists that it is unable to serve the people. Their balancing act of appeasing both the right and the left is just serving to alienate everyone because the final policies get so diluted. They have become too stuck in the quagmire of their own doing. I don’t see the DNC being able to change any time soon and through their inaction, will only enable more devastation of the country.
The new Progressive party should align with the DNC as the opposition during this administration but simultaneously run more like minded candidates in the next elections with their own separate fundraising campaigns. That’s the only hope I have for meaningful change to happen.
There’s a free app called 5 calls. It helps you to call your representative with a script. Progressives need to get on this. I’m aware it’s a pain, but the script makes it a lot easier especially when you get an answering machine instead of a person.
It’s rather naive to think that phone calls will change anyone’s mind in office. Money speaks, not phone calls.
It’s rather naive to throw out centuries of political theory because you can’t be bothered to write / call / show up.
https://act.represent.us/sign/does-calling-congress-really-work
In fact the only thing they pay attention to more than calls is people physically showing to their offices.
It’s rather naive to throw out centuries of political theory because you can’t be bothered to write / call / show up.
Do you have any data that calls, emails, letters have any consistent effectiveness? I think a lot of us feel like we are handed these mechanisms as a way for us to feel catharsis (AKA shut us up) and an illusion of participation while our inputs are promptly tossed into the trash.
Its an unpaid intern receiving these messages in whatever way they are sent, right. And how do I compete with a check being sent from a corporation or AIPAC? Lobbying is bribing. We’re sending emails and making phone calls.
It’s rather naive to throw out centuries of political theory because you can’t be bothered to write / call / show up.
Following centuries of political theory have led us to this point.
In fact the only thing they pay attention to more than calls is people physically showing to their offices.
Not really. The only thing they pay attention to is the amount on the check.
If calling really changed things, I’d be getting emails from TheDemocrats asking people to jump on a phone bank. All they are asking from me is “More Money to fight Donald Trump!”
Do you not get those texts? I would understand if you blocked them but they are definitely being sent.
Not anymore… I blocked them after the 15th begging for “$50 dollars is all we need to defeat Trump!” on November 10th…
The problem is you get the NDP/Liberal vs. Conservative effect when you do this. If you have 30% of the population vote for your Leftie, and 30% vote for the other Leftie, in a given congressional district, the Republican can win with 31%, despite 60% voting against the Republican. We need RCV before we can do this, and people need to understand that they MUST put the other party as choice 2 or we are back to ending up with a Republican.
This is why a new party needs to be built from the ground up, starting with local races that are uncontested or use ranked choice voting already.
If Democrats are so scared of splitting the vote, they don’t need to run a candidate. It’s not like they’re particularly interested in winning anyway.
That is indeed a problem that needs to be resolved, and likely through ranked choice voting. But as a country, we tend to focus too much on the presidential election. Change will have to start in the congressional elections - both at federal and state levels. The issue of votes splitting will be a lesser issue in these elections except in a few large districts. That will also be where smaller fundraising campaigns would go further.
Change starts at the dog catcher. That’s how the maga morons did it. They ran for every single down ballot race, all the way to the bottom.
That’s how the maga morons did it.
Hell, in my city, the local Dem committee helped the MAGA morons, by running against their own primary winner (A socialist). They were even dual dropping lit for the Chosen One they had in mind, plus the sheriff who is a MAGA nutter.
Jesus tapdancing Christ. I swear it’s like the Dems as an organization want to lose. I’m only on their side to pull left. The second we can pull left to neoliberalism instead of maga nutters I swear I’m going to do everything in my power to volunteer to get them fucking tossed for the further left and less authoritarian.
The thing you’re missing is that you’ll tap into a whole new category of voters that have never had anyone to vote for before.
Ding. Both major parties have abandoned the working class, and a whole lot of people have given up on the system as a whole. Give a real choice that has a chance and people will turn up. But that means the politics-as-sports folks need to hang up their team colors, and that’s only going to happen by spreading class consciousness. No war but class war.
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They just need to put the Trump party last (or whatever the shittiest party is at the time)… They can put anyone they want 2nd
100% agreed, it’s time for a new party. Republican-lite is killing our nation.
The Democratic party is dead.
The Democratic party has just officially morphed into the Republican party of 30 years ago. They trotted out the Cheney’s ffs.
Not like it matters. We’re not voting our way out of this situation, the fascists won’t let anyone take power back now that they have it. It’s revolution or a technofeudal hellscape.
The Dems will do it again too. They’ll find an older grandfatherly type in the model of Reagan to run as a candidate, and he’ll talk about compromise, not progressive causes. They’ll toss in some vague progressive light stuff that they will promptly shitcan once they win.
Tell this to Bernie and other progressives. Seriously, if we call and email them, they might decide they even enough support to do such a thing.
The DNC leadership are elected by people who are elected by us. Almost no one votes in those elections… Probably no one even knows they exist. But a well timed strategy of getting like 50 progressives to show up to each election and vote for progressive leadership is all it would take to replace every liberal in the party leadership with progressives… No reason to leave 2 conservative parties intact
“In 2025, the DNC Chair election will be held on February 1. The chair will be elected by the 448 active National Committee members, consisting of 200 elected members from state parties, as well as elected officials, constituency representatives, and at-large members.”
https://indivisible.org/resource/dnc-chair-race-explained
so a 200 person minority of the voters are people elected … somehow… (how do pick which state people get a votes) presumably in a way that forwards the publics wishes, not that they ever do that-- and the other 248 are dnc insiders. I dont see how progressives can maneuver to a win with those constraints.
Yeah… It would take some serious organizing… Probably need a serious org to take it on
So like, how do we do that? How do I help organize that?
I’d start by looking up your local Dems party. Most towns and counties have their own Dem party who’s job it is to get Dems elected locally. They themselves are elected by (registered) Dems in that town or county. They’ll know who runs your state party (also elected by Dems in your state), and who from your state gets to vote for DNC (national) leadership. They’ll also probably know how many people show up for these elections (it’s usually like 10 people!) Then it’s just a matter of organizing enough progressives to take over these local party positions and then take over the DNC… but, the good news is, progressives just took over the party leadership! At least the new Chair is relatively progressive, and was supported by Our Revolution.
On the one hand, it’s super annoying that a small group of people makes all the decisions, but on the other hand, they are the people who show up month after month. You’ll probably need to show up too, get to know who is progressive and who’s a shill. Then make moves to replace the shills with progressives.
In Nashua, NH (the second biggest “city” in NH) we were able to completely replace the city Dems leadership with only 50 progressives showing up to vote
What we really need is a national org like Our Revolution or Move On or whoever, to make a concerted effort to plan out the takeover of every town/county/state Dems in every state. Each state should have a paid director plus staff who can map out all the leadership of all the smaller Dems parties in that state, rally progressive voters, and take the state party for progressives, town by town and then the state party all together.
Can you clarify, who are you talking about?
The DNC Chair, vice chair, treasurer, etc
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_National_Committee#Current_leadership
Aren’t there already other progressive parties? Look how they’re doing.
Anecdotal, but our chapter of the DSA (not radical enough for me, but it’s what I’ve got around me) is growing rapidly. New member orientation has been standing-room-only since the election.
You should check out the Axios article they cite before you write them all off. The supposed “gripefest” is just Dems talking about how they’re recieving hundreds if not thousands of phone calls a day.
The US needs a left-wing Party.
This has been half a century of Fascists vs neoliberals, center-right “free to be LGBTQ as you die of poverty in the gutter” vs so far right we’re building Concentration camps.
Unfortunately our people have been poorly educated by design as well as brainwashed into believing profit comes before humanity. " Herp derp Anything less is socialism and therefore evil!"
This is only “freedom” for the rich to trample the poor. Freedom without social responsibility is a rampage. We need revolution, revolution that does far more to Wall Street than merely occupy it , or we need to accept living in hell until the capitalists destroy the climate enough to destroy civilization all together.
Don’t worry, just a few more decades of the same at most for nature to do what we’re failing to. This will end within a human lifespan, the choice is if it will be with or without a habitable planet for Humans.
This isnt the usual ebbs and flows of history, There is a very literal deadline of humanity’s own greedy making.
Don’t worry, just a few more decades of the same at most for nature to do what we’re failing to. This will end within a human lifespan, the choice is if it will be with or without a habitable planet for Humans.
That’s the plan. That’s why billionaires are buying up properties in places that are currently too cold and remote for masses of people to want to live there (Montana, Greenland, etc).
They know climate change is real and it is 100% reflected in Homeowners insurance rates in FL and other high risk places. I’m fairly certain that it’s not the leftist types that get into starting insurance companies.
Also, the whole Covid thing… I am pretty sure there was a concerted effort that would cull our numbers a bit.
So yea, we’re all going to die probably — unless you’re rich enough to afford to move to somewhere that will have a more hospitable climate when we cross the 3 degrees Celsius threshold next year.
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Let’s start a new party called the Modern Future party.
So the Republicans can act like an opposition party but they can’t? Have they had their heads buried since the beginning of Obama’s term? Or is this their snide way of confirming complicity?
The rich want to end democracy. They dont want to stop Muskler.
And almost everyone in Congress and the Senate is rich.
I’m definitely using Muskler from now on. That’s good
I said this in /r/law and was told that my level of cynicism is unrealistic and I’m arguing in bad faith
Welcome to Lemmy where, in theory, you have much more control over who censors your opinions!
The democrats were this ineffective during the GWB era as well. Then after America gets sick of Republicans because their policy is terrible and predictably causes calamities of varying magnitudes, only the people who didn’t go along for the ride with the Republicans thrive politically afterwards.
For instance, one of Obama’s main draws in the 2008 primaries was the dude wasn’t drawn into being pro-Iraq invasion.
The feeble wimps will all be seen as such if this era ever ends, and the public will turn to whomever consistently opposed the petard throwing before it hoists the one who threw it.
This should be the eye opener to the left that the DNC is right wing. They let the republicans do whatever they want because they want the same thing. They only pretend not to so they can scam for donations.
