I’m not a US citizen, but considering the current global trend, isn’t it also possible that the West is slowly but surely turning to fascism again?

I couldn’t care less about the democratic party, so not trying to find excuses but everything I read about the US election reminds me of everything I read about… well… most European elections in the past 10 years.

Sadly, this hits too close to home

That’s also true

Rather than plain mysogyny, men and anti DV movements which men are part of should engage in their conception of pride, seeking help, admitting you can be a victim too and listening to other males victims. And if course when they want it legal action.

If you wish to solve the issue, that’s the main way to go.

If you want to promote a conservative backlash about feminism and spread basic misogynistic views, you’re on the right track though.

I’ve been working with movements and research efforts to make men more aware about reporting victimhood and seeking mental health help for years. I won’t prove it because it would likely make my identity public, which I’m not comfortable doing here. Guess what ? I’m working with more feminist actors than you can imagine in your little echo chamber.

Also : “immensely under-reported”, if that suits you better. But considering your visible agenda, I doubt it will.

Damn. I’ve been exposed!

Hmm… Maybe the translation affects the meaning indeed.

To clarify, McMahon was visiting a city crippled by flood and didn’t find anything better to say than “so much water!”. The follow up by the French official was “And there’s more, you’ve only seen the top of it!”, meaning the surface of the water (implying “beneath the surface, there’s even more water, Mr. President, you’d be surprised!”).

It’s my understanding that the official was somehow trolling McMahon for his… mmh… stupid comment.

Is it better this way?

Who considers female on male abuse funny? I have yet too see any feminist, any worker in a shelter, any of those, find any kind of domestic violence funny.

I’m not talking about Xitter pen keyboard heroes here. I mean real people.

Who’s laughing at violence against men?

Taters, conservatives, and their kind, high representatives of the most toxic masculinity.

You clearly can’t begin to fathom what’s it’s like for people who experienced violence and domestic violence. I’ve never seen a female survivor not listening to a male survivor. I’ve never seen a left wing feminist working with female survivors not taking a male survivor seriously.

Actually, from my experience, which, I think, is significant at least in my country and generation, they’re literally the ONLY ONES who take them seriously (except some of their close ones, friends and family, of course - not all will, but some may).

Ah. Count me in. Gee… I was at work from 7:30AM to 7:30PM today, with an 1h commute. Tomorrow, I’ll regret it, but I’ll play Rimworld tonight.

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That’s truly a joke.

It is my current understanding, from various experiences - and I want to state that I publicly engage with men and women who’ve had violent experiences in various ways on a regular basis - that men are FAR more likely to be supported when facing domestic violence by the left, the very same woke/feminist left.

The right? They don’t give a flying f*ck. As always. The incels and their variants? They don’t care. They’re in a political crusade against social justice.

Al…right. Let’s do a little sanity check and let’s see how up or downvoted is gets.

1. It is absolutely true that violence against women is structurally endemic in our societies and they represent a large majority of domestic violence
2. It is also absolutely true that domestic violence against men is clearly under-reported, to an unknown but significant extant
3. It is absolutely true that abuse is abuse

Those assertions do not contradict each other.

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Ah, that’s a convincing point, but I’ve always felt my answer actually opens up the door for important discussions like :

-Historical // between slavery and prisons -Partial rebuttal of the question itself, or rather, its framing of the issue, my underlining it’s completely legitimate to advocate for the abolition of something without having a plug’n’play replacement for it

-Usually, people will follow up by highlighting cases of pedophiles and rapists, which could further be used to frame the discussion with them : who are we talking about?

-If I’m in a bad mood, I’ll also ask people : “My brother in Christ, weren’t there folks around who thought slavery was indeed created to solve an actual problem?”

But yeah, that’s only the first part of my answer, then we’ll move to the more grounded post-carceral society discussion.

Well, I can try to clarify here. Some prison abolitionist, activist or scholars, do indeed think there will be a residual proportion on crime that will necessitate kind of spatial segregationi, and, for some, being locked up for a time.

And it’s not necessarily conflicting with the abolitionist motto. They say : Well, prisons are buildings, but mostly, they are a social and historical function (punishing the poor, the political opposition, etc.). If we abolish that and there are like 3000 people in prison nationwide, the logic of stockpiling inmates will be gone. Maybe it will be possible to actually do something for them. The gap in punishment between the poor and the rich will be reduced if not gone.

Nevermind the building. If their historical function is gone, prisons are gone.

Ah. I’m not so comfortable with English but yeah, that was what I meant indeed!

That’s always my first answer indeed. "Well, I’m going to answer your question but first, just think about the abolition of legal slavery a while ago. What would you have thought about someone who would object : “yeah, but what will we replace slavery with ?”.

Well, that would reduce unemployment.

Thanks for taking the time to write such a detailed answer. I agree with you about almost everything.

You seem to be pretty up voted on a regular basis except a few comments. In my humble opinion, most of them would not be explained by a specific reddit hive mind but rather classic moral panics. I mean, I’ve been campaigning my whole life for prison reform/abolition and that’s the typical kind of reactions I’ve got… irl. I suppose that’s just what you usually get when saying something which deviates from a specific state of public opinion.

Not trying to play ackshually, but there doesn’t seem to be anything wrong with your posts/comments, imo.

Can we get a sample of these “unpopular opinions”?