Trump wins. - eviltoast
  • rottingleaf@lemmy.world
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    16 days ago

    Ukraine was always friendly with the Trump crowd, I think. So is Putin, but this is not as clear cut. Palestine is fucked, but it already was. Vance even said something along not interfering between Israel and Iran, so it’s about equally fucked, maybe even less fucked.

    We live in a world with skewed media picture of what’s happening, and the distortion by Trump people and the distortion by DNC people do not cancel each other out. In some ways they work in the same direction.

    Only the biggest and rawest facts should really be used in the comparison. What both have actually done in full. Not what they promise, not project 2025, just the real things. Weapons, money, territory, and not a token amount with some promise, but all. Same way you pay for groceries. Politicians are like shoplifters.

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      16 days ago

      “Ukraine was always friendly with the Trump crowd, I think.”

      Timmy, what the everloving fuck are you smoking?

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        16 days ago

        Well, the previous govt was pretty shitty leftovers from the Soviet era. Zelenskyy has turned out to not only talk the talk for a tv show but walk the walk and actually lead the country. He knows how fucked this is and is trying to do damage control in hope of keeping the ammo coming. Like most things conservative every accusation is a confession, when Putin talked about de-nazifying Ukraine, they had already done so through the democratic process and put the funny guy in charge.

        With the rerun of this administration though, who knows which side we’ll send aid to and there may be someone in Kyiv loyal to Moscow again. I really fucking hope not but this result will likely do more to help the orcs than our new allies.

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              15 days ago

              No, they didn’t. And when you tell yourself that, you make yourself a sucker.

              Because when we tell ourselves that people who do terrible things cannot be human, we forget the logical implications of that; that only the inhuman are capable of doing terrible things.

              And we’re human. We know this for sure. So therefore whatever we do, cannot be terrible. Because we’d know if we crossed that line, right? Our friends, our family, our coworkers… None of these people are inhuman. We know them, we talk to them, we care about them. So, logically, they could never be capable of anything truly monstrous. Because only monsters can be monstrous.

              The Nazis were human. That’s the worst, and by far the most important lesson of the Holocaust. That humans did those things. That every single person you know is, under the right circumstances, capable of the most monstrous acts imaginable.

              That’s why so many people cannot bring themselves to believe that what is happening in Gaza is a genocide; because they believe that only inhuman monsters can commit genocide, and they cannot call every person in Isreal an inhuman monster, can they?

              It’s not our humanity that keeps us good. Goodness is not inherent, or God given, or born into us. It’s a choice we have to make, every single moment of every single day.

              Every time you tell yourself that the worst people in the world aren’t really people, you make it just a little bit easier to cross those lines. To do something truly monstrous. Because the one thing you know for sure is that you are not a monster.