If someone is a landlord, but this person also needs to sell their labor to make ends meet, is this person a petit burgeois or a proletariat? - eviltoast

Edit: I am posting a pic of a chatGPT reply. This is what ChatGPT told me. Apparently, there is a “working class petit-bourgeoisie”.

  • knfrmity@lemmygrad.ml
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    1 year ago

    From Prolewiki:

    In contrast with the high bourgeoisie or ‘big’ bourgeoisie, most petite bourgeoisie’s means of subsistence are not entirely derived from the exploitation of the labour of others.

    I haven’t heard of “working class petite bourgeoisie” before, and I don’t think it’s a necessary distinction. The petit bourgeoisie class already includes those who derive some of their income from exploitation and some from their own labour.

    A small business owner is in the same position; they own their means of production and can thusly exploit others for their labour, but they themselves also have to labour in order to keep their business going. Yet these small business owners are by no means working class, even in part.

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    1 year ago

    Yeah clearly ChatGPT hallucinated a term that sounded logical because smashing designations together is something that frequently occurs. However in this precise case, the fusion of terms don’t work. The bot is unable to use the Marxist framework properly, revealing further that large language models are just that : models trained on large samples of language, that put words together because they look coherent when compared to the language sample.

    Class society has an infinitely complex structure that cannot be fully described, this is why we use dialectical materialism in opposition to vulgar materialism that finds itself unable to grasp individual contradiction within a general description of a complex system.

    Basically, the reduction that is the struggle between the owning and dispossessed classes is a useful way to describe a society where actually a lot of individuals operate in a grey area between actual labor and exploitation from relationship of ownership, in widely different manners

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    Chat GPT excels in giving you convincingly wrong answers. It’s not a reliable source for niche topics.

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      Although, if you use it as a starting point and try to debunk its conclusions, you can often learn a little faster.