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  • Cethin@lemmy.zip
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    1 month ago

    I’m usually pro gun-rights, though with reasonable restrictions. I have two issues with your comment though.

    First, not human right, American right. It’d be such a weird thing to say it’s a human right to own firearms when they’re a pretty modern thing, meanwhile shelter, food, and water are not.

    Second, the second amendment is invalid. It’s based on an assumption that isn’t true anymore “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” A standing professional army was not the norm of the time and it wasn’t expected that the newly form small US would have one. It was expected we would have to rely on a citizen militia for defence. I know what the courts have ruled, but they ignore this first section. Since the first assumption isn’t true, the following assertion must be invalid. IANAL but I have no idea how it’s made it through the courts so long without this being shown.

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      1 month ago

      > First, not human right, American right.

      it’s one in my belive system (I didn’t really mean it as in the by the un defined human rights, just as some people belive abortion is a human right) and I don’t necesarily mean guns, I mean any weapon, so in ancient rome I’d be pro swoard rights for example

      > Second, the second amendment is invalid.

      have to agree with you there, however, I belive it to be a good thing

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        1 month ago

        …I don’t necesarily mean guns, I mean any weapon, so in ancient rome I’d be pro swoard rights for example

        I understand your intent, and I also understand the feeling, and I largely agree with it. However, there must be limits. Should people be allowed RPGs, fighter jets, bombers, tanks, nukes, etc.? If not, where are we drawing the line, and for what reasons? Can those reasons apply further to other weapons? There are reasonable restrictions we must have. The issue is that every person is going to have a different idea of where the lines should be drawn. Some will draw it at a sword, some a handgun, some a machine gun, some a nuke.

        I don’t know what the answer is, but it obviously isn’t “all weapons” and probably shouldn’t be “no weapons.”