Capitalist development vs Socialist development - eviltoast
      • GarbageShoot [he/him]@hexbear.net
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        2 months ago

        the map is far more accurate than it is not though

        Come on, Yog, we can hold ourselves to a higher standard than this. It’d be so easy to just color in Vietnam and then you’d be set, but by posting it in its current form you are actively lying.

        • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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          2 months ago

          I think there’s a difference between invasion/occupation and a minor border skirmish. Like yeah it could’ve been more accurate, but it does get the point across. 🤷

          • GarbageShoot [he/him]@hexbear.net
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            2 months ago

            If I was just complaining about border skirmishes, then I’d mention India or something. The attack on Vietnam was more than just a “minor border skirmish”.

            • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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              2 months ago

              Well, feel free to explain how the attack on Vietnam constitutes an occupation. Are you suggesting China’s military action was carried out with the intent of annexing a part of Vietnam?

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                  2 months ago

                  You still haven’t answered what you think the intent of the military action was. Do you claim any military confrontation is occupation?

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                    2 months ago

                    I’d more say that the military occupation was done for the sake of confrontation (this is similar to the official Chinese line). It was a really senseless invasion, as far as I can tell (and I disagree with the Vietnamese line that the war was expansionist).

      • Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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        2 months ago

        Eh, I think you can illustrate your point a bit better, comrade. The map goes from good agitprop to bad when it is counterable by liberals and leftists alike. I agree with your general point on this post, so I don’t think the point itself is bad, but it could be better elaborated on with an actual map that shows what it says it does. Just my opinion.

        • Vampire [any]@hexbear.net
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          2 months ago

          The top one is taken from a website called vividmaps where it’s countries the USA has had some sort of conflict with

          List of wars being involved in is not a list of countries being invaded and occupied, nice try though.

          The bottom map is just a white map.

          Garbage meme 1/5

          • Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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            2 months ago

            Yep, it’s pretty bad for agitprop, even if I agree that the PRC has had really peaceful development all things considered, and the US is a genocidal empire, this map gets in the way of that messaging.

        • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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          2 months ago

          That’s fair, I like the concept of the map hence why I shared it, but I agree it would be better if it was more accurate. Perhaps worth making a better one.