A majority of americans (sic) support halting arms shipments to Israel.

…except it didn’t. It said 52% +/- 3.5%, based on a survey of 1000 people, support halting arms shipments to Israel until attacks on Gaza stop. That is within the margin of error, and could be as low at 49%. And a whole 21%, again +/- 3.5%, aren’t sure if we should halt weapons shipments to Gaza and 27%, again +/- 3.5%, suggest we should maintain support for Israel.

Lmao, idk what to tell you that’s a majority, according to the poll. Margins of error and samples or respondents are… well that’s just how polls work. If you’re simply worried about losing votes, then you could even include those that are ‘unsure’, or some portion thereof, since if the democrats actually made the case against continuing to support an active genocide, a good portion of those ‘unsure’ would likely see reason.

Since my point was that we’d only need to turn off 50% of Jews to lose far more votes than we gain from this poster and its ilk, it dishonestly blows this bullshit in our face, ignoring my point altogether, and then gets all offended and shit over pronouns.

And my point is that it isn’t just Stein voters (which very well may outnumber registration numbers and previous election numbers given the intense dissatisfaction with the democratic gaza policy, among others) democrats need to worry about - there are also Undecided voters and voters who will decide not to vote at all. That, and you’re assuming that Jewish Americans will decide that Trump is better, not just that they disagree with that particular policy.

And, again, all of this is a digression over whether continued support for Israel’s genocide is even defensible, a perspective with which I very much disagree with. Electoralist rhetoric has this unfortunate tendency to deflect debate away from actual policy decisions and supplant it with whatever policies win you the election. I think you know continued unconditioned military aid to Israel is indefensible, but it’s far easier to ‘whatabout’ the other guy.

1. More bullshit accusing Dems of catering to Fascists

This you?

This poster wants you to believe that what Harris is doing to cater to the middle makes her equivalent to Trump. It does not. She’s trying to bring everyone to the table, and believes that not screaming to the high hills how Left she is is the best way to make Trump fail again in 2024. I do think she should go more like “Hey, Moderate Republicans. Thanks for your vote. Please, stay during this election, but after the Election is over, go back and fix your party. [LMAO at this] We’re not going to become Republican Lite over here for you. You need to fix your party so America can have two choices again,” but I won’t hold it against her if she doesn’t do that.

The people you call “Moderate Republicans” - the ones that you say Harris is ‘reaching out to’ - I consider to be fascistic. They’re the ones who think immigrants are jumping the boarder and bringing drugs and weapons, and they’re the ones who Harris is appealing to by supporting greater asylum restrictions and funding for more border agents. They’re the ones who think sexuality is binary and that gender should be enforced in public, the ones who might get spooked if Harris publically defended trans rights.

What you call ‘screaming to the hills about how Left she is’, I think is basic humanitarianism. Avoiding the defense of trans rights is conceding that they are even up for debate to begin with.

You kind of need to worry about your own home before you start worrying about the homes across the street, unfortunately.

Why am I not surprised to see this conservative idiom in your comment?

I’m just done with the nonsense being spewed on Lemmy by people who seem to be all to eager to do the same kind of ‘blow up every molehill into a mountain’ that confirmed Russian Troll Farms did with Clinton in 2016 and end us up with another 4 years of Trump.

Lmao, Clinton lost because she arrogantly believed she didn’t need to address progressive concerns, just like Harris is doing now. She and her supporters derided them as “Bernie Bros”. She didn’t lose because of russian interference, she lost because she was a fundamentally bad candidate.

I happen to be tired of the liberal bullshit being spewed here, personally. I think there’s precious little pushback, in part because .world has actively defederated from everyone to the left of them. If you find .world’s politics intolerable, you should really try spending time in an instance that hasn’t gone as far out of their way to avoid leftist perspectives.

This poster is demanding I show respect, here on the internet, where the Men are Men, the Women are Women, and the Children are FBI agents, while it and its ilk treat the rest of us like children at best and shit at worst. This poster bitches about the fact that I don’t see fit to refer to it as a person. Well, I’ve been told in no uncertain terms I can’t call these posters out as the way I want to, so this is the best they’re going to get.

Lmao, is this, like, a copypasta? I mean I would be more upset by this, if it weren’t for the fact that you’ve had other comments removed that start almost word-for-word like this… The lady doth protest too much, methinks

You actually remind me of another user here that was repeatedly banned for constantly accusing other users of being russian trolls, even going so far as to follow them around and link them into unrelated threads to pester them for proof they weren’t trolls. I would never say you were that user’s soc account, but holy fuck do you share a similar fervor for that obsession. It might be time to log off and touch some grass, bud.