Kamala Harris says ‘I will not be silent’ on suffering in Gaza after Netanyahu talks - eviltoast
  • disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world
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    5 months ago

    Out of curiosity, do you always insist people use the term genocide when addressing the Ukrainian invasion invasion of Ukraine, the sinicization of Tibet, and the Uyghur camps as well? Do you always say the Ukrainian genocide, the Tibetan genocide, and the Uyghur genocide? It’s exactly as correct as the former descriptions.

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      I won’t insist on each and every time, but just once would be fantastic.

      I personally also don’t say it literally each and every time, but I will say that those examples as also genocide, unequivocally. That’s me on the record, you can quote me on that.

      (Also I assume you mean the Russian invasion of Ukraine, and the genocide of the Ukrainian people in the invaded areas, not an invasion committed by the Ukrainians, because I’m not aware of that happening anywhere.)

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        Yes, the Russian invasion of Ukraine. I edited for clarity.

        My point is both descriptions are accurate, and sensationalism is polarizing. The wrong language could keep her out of office. This reaffirms the understanding that she’s left of Biden and miles from Trump. That may be all the conviction we get before the election. That doesn’t mean that’s all she has to offer.

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          Calling a genocide what it is isn’t sensationalist, regardless of whether or not you think there would be political blowback for her to state that plainly.

          You’re couching an implication that describing it as a genocide is an exaggeration in pragmatic language.

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      Genocide is never okay no matter who commits it. There’s definitely different kinds of genocide so it’s hard use the word to properly define it’s context. That said it’s not used when it’s clearly adequate because politics.

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        Performing a genocide is trying to wipe out national, ethnical, racial or religious identity. You can do it by outright killing them, or be more sneaky and for example stealing their children and adopting them so they never learn about their heritage.

        It doesn’t matter how it is done, but the result you are trying to achieve.

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          Agreed, wholeheartedly. The issue is the politics of it. The perpetrators obfuscate the true intentions of thier actions in every example.

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      5 months ago

      Considering that most of you guys began to say Armenian genocide only after it lost any usefulness whatsoever for Armenians to prevent its continuation, it’s kinda boring to see such arguments.

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      Out of curiosity, do you suppose whataboutism is going to make what Netanyahu does suddenly not be a genocide?

      Do you think that because Russia and China are doing it, that makes it OK? We’re not selling Russia and China weapons to use in their genocides.

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        Not at all. I’m simply pointing out that the term genocide does not speak to the severity of Israel’s crimes, only the implied intent. Genocide can be committed without killing anyone. It’s important to state the facts- that tens of thousands of innocent civilian women and children have been killed by the IDF. The term genocide does not imply those atrocities.

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            Absolutely. I’ve also peacefully protested the sinicization of Tibet since the 80s, which is also a genocide. The ignorance around the word being used to imply “worse killing” is maddening. It’s just like the difference between manslaughter and murder. The difference is intent, not egregiousness.

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          “Durr hurr hurr if you don’t think genocide is the greatest shit ever, you must be a bot!”