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“I Ain’t Reading All That; Free Palestine”

The meme enrages Israel supporters because Israel apologia depends on mountains of verbiage to spin obvious atrocities as reasonable and appropriate. At some point the kids noticed this was happening, and started dismissing all the narratives.

…Without mountains of narrative, all you’ve got is a nonstop deluge of raw video footage depicting the blatant genocidal criminality of Israel. No narrative overlay is required atop a video of a baby beheaded by Israeli military explosives. It stands on its own. You’d only need narrative to explain why the footage of the headless baby doesn’t say bad things about the side that’s dropping the bombs.

…Manipulators understand that they can use narrative to promote material agendas if they can get people to believe those narratives, and it enrages them when people handwave away the narrative and stick solely with the raw data of material reality. If you’ve based your life around trading empty narrative fluff for real material resources and gains, having your narratives dismissed can feel like holding a huge pile of currency that suddenly got devalued to zero. Of course the manipulators would be upset about this.

  • Sneezycat@sopuli.xyz
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    5 months ago

    People trying to overload your critical thinking with tons of nonsensical arguments must be cut off like this.

    There’s no point in thinking about what someone arguing in bad faith says. You’ll demonstrate how they’re wrong, and they’ve already come up with 3 new bogus arguments while ignoring that they were wrong.

    • 🦄🦄🦄@feddit.de
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      5 months ago

      You don’t know if they are nonsensical arguments, if you don’t read them, that’s the point.

      • Ð Greıt Þu̇mpkin@lemm.ee
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        5 months ago

        My brother in Christ what sensical argument could there possibly be made in favor of what the Israelis are doing in Gaza?

        Just become some asshole on the internet said it’s a table doesn’t mean it has legs to stand on.

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        5 months ago

        genocide is always wrong. i don’t need to read your apologia to reconsider whether I’ll be ok with genocide.

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        5 months ago

        Well, yeah…

        You’re taking this as a blanket reply to a first comment, the person you’re replying to is more talking about “the last straw” after already giving discourse a shot.

        I usually give people about 3-5 replies before giving up on them.

        At that point you have enough data to decide if disengagment is the only sane option.

        If you just always kept replying to someone and treating it like a conversation, some people will just never stop replying.

        At a certain point you have to just walk away from the conversation.