The debate gets interesting sometimes - eviltoast
  • starman2112@sh.itjust.works
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    5 months ago

    I mean the right has already made it clear that they’re 100% pro genocide, straight up recommending that every Palestinian is killed. The worst Biden could possibly do is be as bad as Trump.

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        5 months ago

        You have no one to vote for. Every single candidate supports genocide. Biden, West, Stein, Sanders. Palestinian genocide or Ukrainian genocide. Pick your 'cider

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            5 months ago

            Well, frankly, your vote obviously doesn’t matter to you. Refusing to accept the realities of our voting system as an excuse to throw your vote out the window isn’t noble, it’s ignorant. Whether you choose to accept it, your choice will do nothing other than help Trump.

            But, yeah, go cry some more about how pointing out reality is “attacking you”.

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              5 months ago

              I wasn’t crying about being attacked. I was pointing out it’s a bit absurd to attack/judge/whatever you want to call this people like me in order to cater to people who would abandon Joe Biden in the general election if he stops supporting a genocide.

              You’re yelling at the wrong people.

              Refusing to accept the realities of our voting system as an excuse to throw your vote out the window isn’t noble, it’s ignorant.

              Okay. What are you going to do about it? You want my vote and you can’t have it for free. Work for it.

        • Raphaël A. Costeau@lemmy.ml
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          5 months ago

          Ukrainian genocide

          Yes, the “Ukrainian genocide”… You know that genocide used to be a word with a meaning, right? That we shouldn’t go around calling any conflict a genocide?

          No matter what your opinion on the conflict, comparing it to the situation in Palestine is the same as denying it, there is no comparison. Russia is definitely not deliberately bombing civilian targets, we have only had the collateral damage that is expected from any war. And this collateral damage is infinitely smaller than any of the wars the United States has engaged in in the last 50 years. Do you call the wars in Iraq, Indochina, Libya and Korea genocides?

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            5 months ago

            Not deliberately bombing civilians…ok you know they are. It’s a tried and true russian “war” tactic. They are also stealing children and taking them to families in rural Russia in order to russify them. That is a war crime and a very definition of genocide. They’ve stated over and over that Ukraine is not a real country and the language is not real. Erasing a culture like that is also a definition of genocide. 30,000+ children murdered in locations no where near a contested front line. Defending that is disgusting.

            • Raphaël A. Costeau@lemmy.ml
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              Not deliberately bombing civilians…ok you know they are[1]. It’s a tried and true russian “war” tactic. They are also stealing children[2] and taking them to families in rural Russia in order to russify them[3]. That is a war crime and a very definition of genocide. They’ve stated over and over that Ukraine is not a real country[4] and the language is not real. Erasing a culture like that is also a definition of genocide. 30,000+ children murdered in locations no where near a contested front line[5]. Defending that is disgusting.


              1. citation needed ↩︎

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              4. citation needed, (saying that Ukraine only became an independent country when the USSR created the Ukrainian SSR is not saying that Ukraine is not real, it is stating a fact) ↩︎

              5. citation needed ↩︎

            • Raphaël A. Costeau@lemmy.ml
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              5 months ago

              And you are all going late. The way you guys are absolutely incapable of arguing with anyone who doesn’t parrot the status quo media’s cant tells me you’d be much better off back on reddit, your natural habitat, so to speak.

              Do you realize that I never once said that I advocated the invasion of Ukraine? That I simply stated that the situation has NOTHING to do with Palestine? Your mind has been so corroded by ideology that you cannot tolerate anyone even slightly disagreeing with your narrative.

              • Gadg8eer@sh.itjust.works
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                5 months ago

                How about “if Israel and Hamas succeed in killing the last child in Gaza, I will kill all of mankind”? Because I WILL FUCKING DO IT.

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                  5 months ago

                  My man I appreciate your anger towards oppressors, but first and foremost, Israel is the one killing Palestinian children, Hamas is one of the Palestinian organizations that resists the Israeli yoke. I know that the Earth is a sterile promontory, but the disorganized action of one individual, whether violent or not, is incapable of bringing about meaningful change. At best, it would bring you a false, self-indulgent, and brief sense of fulfillment, which would quickly be replaced by a much greater misery than you have ever felt for yourself and others around you. I think it would do you good to find someone in your offline life with whom you could talk about these anxieties. By doing so, you could begin to transform this destructive feeling into constructive action for a world different from this foul and pestilent congregation of vapors.

              • Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                5 months ago

                I simply stated that the situation has NOTHING to do with Palestine

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                comparing it to the situation in Palestine is the same as denying it, there is no comparison. Russia is definitely not deliberately bombing civilian targets

                It’s one thing to lie about events in the real world that a reader may plausibly be ignorant of. It’s a entire other thing to lie about what you just said 2 paragraphs ago. I didn’t try to argue with you because I read enough to know that doing so would be futile you tankie bootlicker.

                This comment was made for the benefit of anyone unfortunate enough to read yours. Also, I block everyone who participates in Dunk Tank on principle. So this conversation won’t be continuing.

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                  5 months ago

                  My man, how is saying

                  Russia is definitely not deliberately bombing civilian targets

                  the same to defend the invasion? HOW?! And again, you are the one who is cutting off any possibility of dialogue with those you disagree with. You are so sure that you are right that you do not let a shadow of doubt come near you.