Is Lemmy.ml missing from the fediverse explorer? - eviltoast
    • thoro@lemmy.mlEnglish
      64·
      5 months ago

      Also, to push people to other instances to avoid centralization.

      Best instance stays winning.

        • Artemis@lemmy.mlEnglish
          3119·
          5 months ago

          I’m on Lemmy.ml and am anything but a “tankie”. Love it here. Tonnes of tech/varied posts in my main subscribed feed and I’ve never noticed anything other than a minimal dose of drama…Facebook or Reddit are much more toxic in comparison which is part of the reason I left those places.

        • marcos@lemmy.worldEnglish
          133·
          5 months ago

          That’s quite a bad way to express yourself.

          But then, the Lemmy front-page sending unsuspecting new people into a place where they will censored if they try to speak against of dictators and human rights violations isn’t a good thing. So yeah, Lemmy is better with the ML not listed.

  • crimeschneck@feddit.nlEnglish
    291·
    5 months ago

    I’m assuming this has something to do with the update to 19.4 that somehow messed up the Lemmy Crawler. awesome-lemmy-instances seems to have a similar problem.

    I don’t think @lodion@aussie.zone’s information is correct because I remember seeing lemmy.ml in the instance filter list just a while ago.

    Also: What does any of this have to do with the moderation of lemmy.ml? I also don’t like their moderation but does that mean the instance and their communities shouldn’t be visible on the Lemmy Explorer? Who should decide which instance should or should not be included on the list? If you want to avoid the instance like I do you can just use the filter to remove lemmy.ml communities on the community browser of the Lemmy Explorer.

    • Blaze@reddthat.comEnglish
      192·
      5 months ago

      Thanks, I just noticed lemm.ee, lemmy.zip, lemmy.ca etc. missing too, so definitely a 19.4 issue.

      Also: What does any of this have to do with the moderation of lemmy.ml? I also don’t like their moderation but does that mean the instance and their communities shouldn’t be visible on the Lemmy Explorer? Who should decide which instance should or should not be included on the list? If you want to avoid the instance like I do you can just use the filter to remove lemmy.ml communities on the community browser of the Lemmy Explorer.

      Strong agree.

    • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3817·
      5 months ago

      …or don’t.

      My understanding is that Lemmy.ml is not exactly a nice place. Lots of drama. I’m staying out. But it very well might be a bad starting point for new users.

      Then again I’M a new user, and I have next to no idea what’s going on.

        • OpenStars@discuss.onlineEnglish
          6·
          5 months ago

          This is a bit of a tangent though - OP was talking about instances, which at least one person said was removed deliberately so as not to overload them - so presumably by their own consent and likely even request?

          Whereas here you are talking about communities, which should be visible across the Federation regardless - subject to the standard, complex set of rules (which you are working to lower the barrier for with all your alts pre-subscribing:-).

          And to complicate matters further, it sounds like these communities have been missing from that list for many months now already. So this truly might be a unique situation, if that instance has actively removed consent to be listed there? Perhaps they would reconsider offering their consent to listing the communities if asked though?

          • Blaze@reddthat.comEnglish
            43·
            5 months ago

            which at least one person said was removed deliberately so as not to overload them - so presumably by their own consent and likely even request

            Presumably being the key word here. It’s not clear based on this comment. It might have been a Lemmyverse decision to remove all of the .ml communities because they disagreed with the instance admins political stances.

                • OpenStars@discuss.onlineEnglish
                  2·
                  5 months ago

                  Fwiw, it has been 7 days since I told you that it was missing from that list. But yeah, it could have been the changes prior to the official roll-out of that version.

                  Although, v0.19.4 is one possibility yes, but it is also possible that the instance was missing prior to that as well, if they had asked for it to be due to the incoming flood from the Rexodus? i.e. this is not enough to reject the null hypothesis that both things might be true at the same time.

                  I do not say this b/c of my bias against them - if hexbear.net and lemmygrad.ml are there, then lemmy.ml should likewise not be non-consensually removed either, the issue is whether they asked for it to be removed, or not.

                  Speaking of, it would be good to place a warning about all 3 of them - people should be free to do as they please, but part of that freedom entails having the knowledge to make a choice. Silence in the face of oppression is not “freedom”, as e.g. Ukranians realize better than any of us today, sadly:-(. Like porn, it is fine for someone to walk in with full knowledge of what lies ahead, it is when it surprises a naive unaware person that it causes problems.

        • Shatur@lemmy.mlEnglish
          84·
          5 months ago

          Didn’t know! Were there any responses from the .ml admins?

          I also noticed that this post is not available on lemmy.ml, apparently they banned the post. Looks like they banned the OP from the instance.

          It looks like admins from .ml ban people who write bad things about CCP and .world admins ban people who can write bad things about US imperialism. They both think that they fight trolls and usually it’s the case.

          For example, the banned OP wrote something like “Why, to ban criticism about China more actively?” in https://feddit.nl/comment/10140068 (6 days ago, while the post was created 9 month ago!) which is definitely not okay behavior.

          • Eldritch@lemmy.worldEnglish
            61·
            5 months ago

            I criticize US imperialism all the time. Not even a warning let alone a ban. So I don’t think that’s the case.

            • Shatur@lemmy.mlEnglish
              3·
              5 months ago

              You are right, I said it wrong.

              They mostly ban for being a tankie.

            • DefederateLemmyMl@feddit.nlEnglish
              2·
              5 months ago

              I am one of the victims of the censorship you say doesn’t happen, so I am banned on lemmy.ml for making a comment about the Tiananmen Square massacre.

              replied to the wrong comment

              • Blaze@reddthat.comEnglish
                4·
                5 months ago

                Where did I say that censorship does not happen?

                I’ve been busy posting to !linux@programming.dev for the last week following your post.

                You don’t need to have an account on lemmy.ml to organize the migration (I did not post there). Organizing the migration means

                • DefederateLemmyMl@feddit.nlEnglish
                  3·
                  5 months ago

                  Where did I say that censorship does not happen?

                  You didn’t, I got your comment mixed up with what someone else said on another comment chain, and I apologize.

          • Blaze@reddthat.comEnglish
            126·
            5 months ago

            They can, but hiding those useful communities from people who are probably just trying to troubleshoot their systems doesn’t seem helpful

            • chiisana@lemmy.chiisana.netEnglish
              67·
              5 months ago

              For projects, where they have their community presence also speaks to their ideology. Those projects’ communities chose to move off of Reddit, and be on Lemmy; those projects’ communities chose the instance they’re on.

              One may plea ignorance in the early days of Lemmy, that they’re misguided by the instance description; but now a year later after all the drama, their decision to remain there will start to influence who will be able to interact with their community.

              I have no sympathy for communities that chose to remain on CSAM infested instances that got defederated, and I will have no sympathy for project communities that continues to associate with ideologies by the ml admins.

              • Blaze@reddthat.comEnglish
                51·
                5 months ago

                The communities above are not managed by a project organisation (the only one I know if !librewolf@lemmy.ml), it’s just that until last week, lemmy.ml was considered the go-to instance for FOSS and Linux.

                Network effect is here, I know it first hand as I’ve been busy posting to !linux@programming.dev to try to offer people an alternative to the lemmy.ml community.

                But I’m not planning to do that with the communities above, and same for the other FOSS communities, because I have other stuff to do

                The vast majority of people going to those communities just want a place with enough people to answer their questions on the topic. They are not going to organize a migration, most of them are probably not even aware of the issues with lemmy.ml administration (seems like the post got removed from lemmy.ml: https://lemmy.ml/comment/11606059)

                I see where you come from, and I get it to an extend, but the vast majority of people are probably going to keep going to those communities without any change.

                If someone wants to organize a migration of those above communities (the thread I linked above can be a starting point), feel free, but I wouldn’t count on it. And without an active migration, those communities will stay the reference for those topics.

                On an interesting note, !collapse@lemmy.ml move to !collapse@lemm.ee recently.

  • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1018·
    5 months ago

    Uhhhhhhh…I don’t know. I just got here a month ago. I spent May smoking so much weed that I do NOT remember the bulk of May. Including the days that led me to Lemmy.

    All I know, is I went through a very bad time in late April. So I just said to myself “too much shit is going down. I don’t even give a fuck anymore.”

    And so it was. I was baked out of my mind for like 3-4 weeks straight. I’ve never done that before, but honestly, I needed that.

    And now that I’m sober, somehow I mostly know what I’m doing within my own bubble on lemmy, but I would NOT call myself an advanced power user of Lemmy.

    I learned while high, and although I retained what I learned, I don’t remember learning it.

    So now this is a new thing about Lemmy. I know of https://browse.feddit.de/ but I don’t know of fediverse explorer.

    Explain the difference between the thing I linked, which I think I was told is the be all end all of Lemmy community searching, and this Fediverse Explorer?

    I’m excited for this Fediverse. I’m all in on this. I love the seperation, the redundancy, the freedom. But I feel like I’m in kindergarten, and you guys are like “check out this algebra!”

    And I’m like “Do what now?”

    • Blaze@reddthat.comEnglish
      14·
      5 months ago

      Explain the difference between the thing I linked, which I think I was told is the be all end all of Lemmy community searching, and this Fediverse Explorer?

      They have a different way to present things. I prefer Fediverse Explorer (more information with the table format), but to each their own.

      • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.worldEnglish
        82·
        5 months ago

        Ah. So it’s not one being better than the other. It’s more a case of layout taste.

        THIS IS WHY I LOVE THIS FEDIVERSE!!!

        Other platforms would tell you “this is what this service is, this is how it looks, it’s all you’re getting, so kneel down, shut the fuck up and take this corporate dick down your throat!”

        Meanwhile the fediverse is more like:

        “This is the thing you use. It’s great!”

        And then another guy is like “No, wait, try this instead. It’s better.”

        So now you have to try both, snd make your own conclusion.

        Or maybe there’s a third thing I don’t even know about. Theres no law saying that ONLY two options are available. There’s no limit. You could show me 500 different options.

        Nobody can tell you what to use, what not to use, whats better…thats all stuff for the user to decide.

    • AmidFuror@fedia.io
      91·
      5 months ago

      I don’t know how to answer your question, but I do have a long unrelated anecdote to share followed by some questions of my own.