China's electric vehicle makers face uphill battle in Europe - eviltoast

China has been accused of dumping cheap electric cars on EU countries. But poor sales, price wars and tariff threats have prompted a mood change among some Chinese auto producers.

European policymakers warned a few months ago that the continent was being flooded with cheap Chinese electric vehicles. They accused Beijing of backing major production overcapacity to allow China’s automakers to grow their share of the global EV market.

The European Commission, the EU’s executive arm, launched an anti-subsidy probe into the oversupply issue late last year and warned China’s EV makers that they could face a new import tariff to offset what Brussels said was unfair competition for European carmakers.

The United States is due to levy a 100% import tax on Chinese-made electric cars, up from the current 25%, which will effectively keep Chinese automakers out of the US market. The EU currently levies a 10% tariff.

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    5 months ago

    Sorry, don’t buy their good and cheap EVs, buy our expensive and crappy hybrids.

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      5 months ago

      Or, Don’t let their government funded cheap vehicles kill of your own industry only to price gauge you once they destroyed the competition.

      And no, hybrid is not the plan. The aim is full electric in Europe… per law.

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          5 months ago

          Sure… we need Evs at half the price point we see currently. The luxury SUV is a cash cow for the carmakers so there is their focus currently.

          The cash subsidies was first unlimited, now in the Netherlands it is capped at cars of 50k. Next stage it will be capped at 20k I believe.

          The market is being transformed from expensive to cheap. I’m confident we will get there.

          And the BYD proposition looks awesome. So I hope something is done. But letting chinese subsidied cars wreak unfeathered havoc should also not be the way to go. Just like string free protection of the European car makers is also not the way to go.

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        5 months ago

        I understand, it’s important to be price gorged locally now rather than being potentially price gorged in the future, perhaps.

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          5 months ago

          No the European car makers need to make 15 and 20k EVs for sure. But letting your industrial base be atrofied by government funded companies worked well for out pharma industry… or our solar panel industry.or… should I go on?

          Dependence on china for anything is asking for trouble.

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          5 months ago

          Is there an updated version of this image? There happened a lot in the last 2 years!

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            5 months ago

            I mean, how many BYDs do you see on European streets? How many Teslas?

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          5 months ago

          The issue is with the Chinese owned and operated companies. Not Tesla. Tesla sucks for many other reasons.

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            5 months ago

            How much of Chinese exports to Europe are from Chinese owned and operated companies selling Chinese-branded EVs?