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Far-right parties rattled the traditional powers in the European Union and made major gains in parliamentary elections Sunday, dealing an especially humiliating defeat to French President Emmanuel Macron.
On a night where the 27-member bloc palpably shifted to the right, Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni more than doubled her seats in the EU parliament. And even if the Alternative for Germany extreme right party was hounded by scandal involving candidates, it still rallied enough seats to sweep past the slumping Social Democrats of Chancellor Olaf Scholz.
Sensing a threat from the far right, the Christian Democrats of EU Commission President Ursula von der Leyen had already shifted further to the right on migration and climate ahead of the elections — and were rewarded by remaining by far the biggest group in the 720-seat European Parliament and de facto brokers of the ever expanding powers of the legislature.
No, he’s describing the second. The first was when the old entrenched powers like the British Empire, the German Empire, the Russian Tzar, the Ottomans etc got into a big kerfluffle after an archduke from the Austro-Hungarian Empire was assassinated and everyone’s big alliance rings got triggered.
It was a war between strong empires that had been entrenched over centuries trying to play big power politics basically.
The second was about nationalism and strongmen. The first already had a bunch of strongmen and huge empires jockeying for position, and it was more about weakening perceived rivals. After it ended, many people wanted to return to that sort of status quo, which helped fuel nationalism and the rise of strongmen in the interwar years.
The assassin of Franz Ferdinand was literally a Bosnian nationalist immigrant in Austrian controlled Bosnia convinced by economically displaced serbians to kill the archduke of Austria.
Nationalism ✓
Flailing economy ✓ the ottoman empire would quite literally not last the war.
Rise of a charismatic strongman ✓ dude literally joined an ultra nationalist group led by a planted charismatic strongman.
The assassin of Franz Ferdinand was not an immigrant. He was born and lived in Bosnia, and he killed Franz Ferdinand in Sarajevo. There was no “fear of immigrants”.
He was not inspired by a “strongman”. He was a member of Young Bosnia, a group of socialist/anarchist students with no political power.
Similar groups had existed for decades, there was no “rise” in nationalism.
The Ottomans did not industrialize with the rest of Europe, this meant they were still agrarian in the 20th century not that they were “unable to afford to live”.
The Ottoman Empire lasted through the war. It was abolished in 1922, four years after the war ended. Thus, it outlived Austria-Hungary.
The dismantling of the Ottoman Empire, like that of Austria-Hungary, was not a cause of the war. It was a result of losing the war.
Bosnian serbs weren’t full citizens, and he identified as Bosnian or serbian not Austrian.
Crown Prince Alexander was their financial backer and their ideological guide in large part.
They’re quite literally was, “nuh uh” without evidence is nothing.
I didn’t mention industrialization, someone else did similarly industrialization did have an effect on countries that didn’t industrialize, namely for the ottoman empire they lost their ass to cheaper mass produced ceramics.
No one said it was the cause bud, nor did I in fact say those are the “most important” factors. You added that for reasons unknown, honestly the argument in general is an exercise in obstinacy. You know they’re factors, maybe not in your mind the most important but no one in good faith can argue they were irrelevant and you’re certainly implying.
So, not immigrants. Immigration was not a factor, at all.
Someone who finances an organization that tries to influence a group of students is not a “strongman”. Merely a rich man, like David Koch.
He considered himself an other in a country that wasn’t his own, he’s an immigrant.
No one said they were, I Said each cell had a strongmen. History shows the charismatic strongman is involved in most conflicts just not generally on the same level as conflict post 1870. More often than not theres a handful of them starting dumpster fires to push into crowds, the rare ones are people like Hitler or Mussolini who manage to actually gain power and not immediately catch the kadaffi treatment.
Bad example, David Koch is an economic strongman. In this age money =power money =speech, you’re not likely to see a Hitler again, you’re more likely to find a small group of shitty people doing shitty things that make it shitty for everyone else.
No, he’s not an immigrant. By definition, immigrants and emigrants migrate, ie they move somewhere else. It’s right there in the word.
If you live in the same place you were born, you aren’t an immigrant.
“Strongman” is defined as a “one who leads or controls by force of will and character or by military methods”. That does not include David Koch or anyone else who merely finances a political movement.
Well, if you’re arguing that wars tend to be caused by the actions of shitty people in general then I won’t dispute that fact.
There was migration ie colonials moving in and making his nation not a nation any longer. You’re being tedious.
Arguably yes, historically no.
That’s a definition sure, you are aware English changes through time, context and situation. He’s an economic strongman, what even are you arguing for or against at this point? Do you even know?
That would be nearly as dumb, not quite but real close.
Yes, colonists were immigrants. Under colonialism, the immigrants are the ones in power.
You previously argued that wars were preceded by fear of immigrants and the rise of political leaders like Hitler. Now it seems you mean the existence of immigrants and rich people like Koch.
But that comparison is pointless. Immigrants and rich people preceded WW1, WW2, the American revolution, the invention of penicillin, every Nobel Peace Prize ceremony, and every Cat 4-5 hurricane.
That’s because there are always immigrants and there are always rich people. So pointing out that they also exist right now is not particularly concerning.