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“No end to Gaza war until ’destruction’ of Hamas”
Proceeds to bomb children’s hospital instead of Hamas
No, no, you don’t understand. The children were Hamas
Bombing everyone in Gaza is a great way to turn many of them into hamas. How are those kids going to grow up sane and normal and make peace with Israel? Imagine a whole society with PTSD, it’s horrifying. Israel knows this too, which is they want to protect themselves through genocide. They really do think those kids are hamas.
Once they’ve turned everyone to Hamas they can justify their genocide that way. Or they can just keep genociding anyway and claim it’s because they heard Hamas was in the hospitals, the schools, the universities, the people’s homes, the shops, the refugee camps, the streets, etc.
… the ambulances, the random US warship passing by, their own tanks …
The average age in Gaza is under 19 so in all likelihood Hamas must be a lot of minors
“No end to Gaza war until ’destruction’ of Hamas”
But don’t worry though, it’s definitely not a genocide.
No, you see the pediatric doctors were seen talking to Hamas heath ministry officials so they’re terrorists too! And it’s really their fault because when they talked to the kids that made them Hamas as well. Sadly killing everyone is the only option left.
Which essentially makes it a forever war. Israel’s defenders keep saying this too- the war will end when Hamas is destroyed.
Every child killed creates a potential new Hamas member. Netanyahu knows this.
He’s taking a page from the Torah. One of the ways to completely eliminate your enemy was to wipe their entire culture off the face of the earth so not even one child is left to grow up to be a potential threat.
This is true. Israel benefits immensely each time there is a conflict -whether it’s settlements or the upper hand in negotiations. The Palestinians are hurt the most and in a tough spot between Hamas and Israel. I’m not sure that either side will offer any concessions after Oct 7 but it would be in everyone’s interest if Israel did offer concessions at this point because the cost of waging war indefinitely I don’t think bodes well for them.
The ceasefire will force Netanyahu to form agreements within international law. Biden has already restored the sanctions, that Trump had previously repealed, on Israeli settlements on Palestinian land. Expansion is off the table. The only claim Israel can make is for return of hostages and request an end to attacks. If they fail to negotiate, or breach agreements afterward, Biden will have a documented platform for amendment of existing munitions supply.
Had the State Department not suppressed the intelligence that would have led to conclusive findings of war crimes, he could have already justified amendment of support against the direction of Congress.
Are you saying Biden simply isn’t aware of the genocide, or that he’s completely powerless to have stopped the military aid?
I’m saying the inconclusive State Department report has his hands tied. Congress has already voted in favor of military aid. If Biden acts against the advisement of both branches, he’ll be exposed to an impeachment hearing for acting in bad faith. He needs the State Department to provide an accurate and conclusive report, or be at the table for negotiations for first-hand accountability, to justify amendment of existing support agreements without repercussion.
You don’t have to like it, but this is how the government is structured.
Do really you think the report would have been inconclusive if they didn’t want it to be?
Who are “they?” Blinken or Biden? Biden’s proposal for ceasefire takes the State Department out of the equation and allows him to assess the conflict with direct oversight.
He’d be acting in bad faith without support of either the State Department or Congress.
Biden has three options:
Mandate reassessment from the State Department, hoping the report will be conclusive of crime justifying amendment of support
Investigate suppressed intelligence in the State Department, eventually leading to a reassessment of intelligence
Amend existing agreements against advisement from the State Department and Congress and face the impending impeachment hearing
Ah yes, the famously anti-Israel congress that would definitely be against Biden’s administration saying that they couldn’t find conclusive evidence of something that lots of other parties have found very conclusive evidence for.
I don’t understand the point you’re making. Congress does not report to the State Department.
Congress is the Legislative Branch.
The State Department is part of the Executive Branch.
Deviating from advisement of both branches will find Biden in an impeachment hearing for acting in bad faith.
That’s untrue, Congress already passed the Lehy law and arms shipments are already bound by that. Biden could have followed the law and stopped weapons shipments based on that or the other law that block aid to countries that block humanitarian aid. Instead Biden bypassed Congress to give more weapons faster, when he didn’t do that for Ukraine.
Biden’s bypass was before he mandated a pause in munitions delivery pending a State Department investigation of breach of international law. I don’t believe he was interested in stopping the supply before that. Once the investigation returned inconclusive, he was limited in his actions without repercussion. Amending existing agreements against advisement of Congress and State Department intelligence would leave him exposed to impeachment by Congress for acting in bad faith.
Now that there’s reason to believe Blinken’s report was inconclusive due to suppression of intelligence, Biden can mandate a reassessment. Directly overseeing the ceasefire will stop causality sooner, allow for aid to Gaza more quickly, and allow him to deviate from Congress and the State Department if Israel negotiates in bad faith or breaches the agreement.
No. It’s more likely Biden leaned on the State Department to bury their findings. The organization is controlled by political appointees, remember. Typically their reports are a fait accompli. And no, there’s zero talk by Republicans on impeaching Biden over Israel, so you keep repeating this idea with no backing or evidence behind it. The president has broad discretionary powers in foreign policy and can restrict aid as he sees fit, and the courts including SCOTUS have consistently ruled in favor of the presidency on the issue.
Israel is absolutely working in bad faith, and Biden is enabling it. See Biden’s red line not being breached by airstrikes and literal tanks into Rafah according to Israeli government and with Biden rushing to agree after the fact, with excuses that tanks are merely on roads or that the airstrikes are limited under a new just-made up-threshold.
I don’t need evidence to assume the President is speaking truthfully. You should be providing evidence to the contrary. Innocent until proven guilty.
Your ignorance to checks and balances is the source of your confusion. Yes, the President can absolutely amend the aid without support of Congress or justification from US intelligence. Going against the advisement of both the Legislative and Executive Branches would absolutely have him checked by the Judiciary Branch in the form of an impeachment hearing.
This isn’t some deep state conspiracy that has him trapped. He can go to the intelligence community at any time and get the no bullshit assessments to back up using the Leahy Law. The state department turns out these turd reports because he wants them to.
What are you talking about, the Israeli government just announced a record breaking set of new settlement expansion lands. What sanctions did Biden restore or did Trump even add? Biden sanctioned less than 10 individual settlers and then repealed those sanctions under pressure.
Trump repealed 50-year-old sanctions preventing Israel from developing on Palestinian territory in 2019. Netanyahu was so grateful, he named a new settlement after Trump in Golan Heights.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-48656431
After Israel attempted to contract development on the West Bank, Biden restored the sanctions in the beginning of this year.
Biden restored US policy, he didn’t sanction Israel.
It’s a US policy that sanctions Israel’s ability to develop on Palestinian territory. How is that not the same? Are you really arguing the semantics of restoring vs. creating new legislation?
Your link merely says that Biden declared the settlements illegal, with no sanctions behind it. He is not restricting US aid money to the settlements or settlers, nor is he sanctioning businesses doing business in these illegal settlements. Your article points out that Israel defied Biden’s legal opinion and is expanding settlements anyway without US doing anything to stop it. Once again, where are the sanctions?
He’s sanctioned settlers since reinstating the law.
We are reading the same story every week now.
Hamas accepts a permanent ceasefire and Israel refuses. They should change up the script a bit.
You forgot where Biden tries to say him and Israel have a path to peace but it’s Hamas who won’t work with them…
And within 24 hrs Bibi clarifying he only wants a “final solution” where none of his “enemies” are left alive, so no one should listen to Biden.
I’m pretty sure we’re on double digit laps by now.
I just don’t understand why Biden at this point is still saying shit, knowing Israel is going to immediately say the quiet part out loud again.
It’s not.just that Biden won’t stop funding this genocide, apparently him and his admin are the dumbest people ever. Even if they know what they’re saying is bullshit, they always forget Israel will just say shit like this that blows up trying to blame it on anyone else.
Don’t forget the israel shills talking about releasing the hostages to “end all this”
To be clear, this is on the right wing Netanyahu government, not all of Israel. There is protests in Israel about this right now : https://news.sky.com/story/huge-protests-call-on-israeli-pm-benjamin-netanyahu-to-approve-us-ceasefire-deal-and-release-hostages-13146730
Wasn’t there already a permanent ceasefire that Hamas broke?
Israel broke it actually. They bombed Gaza. Israel loves to do shit and then claim it doesn’t break the cease fire for some reason.
Was there even a ceasefire to begin with?
Hamas has been shooting rockets at Israel for years, and Israel has been bombing Hamas as well.
I would argue that with Israel’s approach to the Palestinians there can never be a true cease fire. Colonial Settler violence is all about maintaining an image of propriety while abusing the local group. While it may appear that it’s just rockets and bombing missions, there’s state sanctioned gangs that regularly attack Palestinians, the state police routinely kidnap Palestinians, and they kick Palestinians off of land and use the Army to prevent them from returning. Those aren’t actions of a state trying to maintain a cease fire in good faith.
My understanding is that there has not been a ceasefire for a very long time. But I might be wrong if so please correct me.
No end to Gaza war until the destruction of Netanyahu
Do take note that Biden’s proposal from yesterday was supposedly drafted at Netanyahu’s cabinet, according to the US government itself. Netanyahu now opposes their own initiative because he’s decided it’s not convenient for him to end the war just yet. This isn’t some sort of principled attempt to paint himself as the protector of Israel, but a pathetic excuse of a man willing to sacrifice more lives for his own self interest.
This is Netanyahu playing Biden like a fiddle.
Yeah but they’re arab lives, so they don’t count them.
Biden’s proposal from yesterday was supposedly drafted at Netanyahu’s cabinet, according to the US government itself.
Source on that? It’s interesting that you say “supposedly…according to the US government itself.” If the government says something, usually it’s easily verifiable.
I can’t find the source for that specific point, but there was an Israeli draft for a truce proposal moving around a little bit earlier:
https://www.arabnews.com/node/2491001/middle-east
And some political commentators were interpreting Biden’s move as a means to lock the Israeli government in this position before they changed their mind again
Biden was lying. He thought that he could pressure Netanyahu to agree, but since so far Israel continued to receive almost full support from the US despite all public talking, Netanyahu knows that Biden is his lapdog.
Biden has been and wants to continue to support Netanyahu and the genocide. It is only now that he starts fearing people to be fed up with genocide Joe, that he needs to do something about it. But he completely underestimates that the people aren’t stupid and they have learned so much about the reality of Israel and the US that just building a Pier for aid that didnt deliver more than one shipment doesn’t cut it. Biden is an old man that is unable to face new realities and understand that people don’t perceive the world along his entrenched convictions. He said it himself. He is a Zionist and he wants to always support Zionism. He just struggles to understand why progressive Americans are not fine with mass murder of brown people anymore.
He thought that he could pressure Netanyahu to agree
Biden has been and wants to continue to support Netanyahu and the genocide.
At least pick a goddamn story that makes sense. This is insulting.
It can be a little bit of both. There’s plenty of evidence for either.
He wants a Netanyahu to agree to a temporary ceasefire to get some breathing room for his election campaign. He wants things to continue afterwards, when managed to distract people from the topic.
How is that so complicated to understand? It is the same kind of stunt like with the holding back one shipment of bombs and then delivering $ 17,000,000,000 more of weapons to Israel to continue the slaughter.
So he said out loud that he won’t accept anything but a Final Solution?
Do you think all Palestinians are Hamas?
Seems racist to me.
I mean he is killing them indiscriminately defending it as hamas
The Israeli government conveniently thinks exactly that.
Dude, chill. I’m on your side.
I think eliminating all of Hamas is a practical impossibility without eliminating essentially all Palestinians, because Israel has shown us again and again that it’s unable or unwilling to to fight Hamas without killing any civilians who happen to be near them. And even if that were not the case, I think Netanyahu would gladly kill every last Palestinian under the pretense of eliminating Hamas.
Incase anyone here is not already aware, the war is causing Hamas. Word is that previously Hamas was caused by Netanyahu’s direct support.
This is ridiculous take. Hamas existed before the war and have been a terrorist organization for decades.
Criticize Israel and the handling of the war all you want, that is fair. But this white washing of Hamas as if they weren’t deranged extremists is just ridiculous.
white washing of Hamas
What? How do you read this as white-washing Hamas? My comment didn’t claim Hamas was ever virtuous, infact it was entirely silent in text on if hams was good or not. I thought it was part of the subtext, but if it’s not clear: Hamas is bad. The reason Netanyahu chose Hamas as his enemy is because they’re evil and hard to cheer for, which makes the genocide easier.
The reason Netanyahu chose Hamas as his enemy
That’s also a strange take. He did not choose the ones who arranged the October 7 attack. Same with tons of rockets they built and sent to Israel.
I guess I misunderstood. I’ve read a lot of comments on here trying to paint Hamas as some good guy under dog.
Sorry for the confusion.
Yeah, those comments are annoying.
Don’t worry, it happens.
It’s a shame their definition of Hamas includes all Palestinians.
Ask your american friends how well a war against terrorism works.
It doesn’t.
Sincerely, an Iraq/Afghanistan vet
If only we could figure out a way to shoot an ideology…
See Also: The War on Drugs, The War on Terror.
Because those went well. Big success story.
Vietnam
Al Qaida
Even the US COVID response…
All were stopped eventually because the US government got bored and wanted to do something else. No winners. Only losers.
It’s only possible to eliminate Hamas if Israel pushes out or kills everyone in Gaza.
Isn’t that what they’re doing already? They don’t differentiate between Palestinians and HAMAS anymore.
Never did.
Sure looks like it to me. Israel couldn’t care less about Hamas in my opinion. That’s just the cover story.
Now, now Bibi. You wouldn’t want to be compared to an Austrian art school dropout that orchestrated the death of some your ancestors now would you?
Lets hope Hamas don’t start immigrating! Imagine Israel trying to catch them inside London, or Paris during the Olympics! So many innocent, but necessary lives would be sacrificed!
Many of them are already outside of Gaza’s borders in Syria, Lebanon, etc. Is Israel going to start invading them?
I meant this time around.
I’m afraid at this point it’s obvious it’s the other way around, and there is no end to the Gaza war until Israel is dismantled, its leaders are given the Gaddafi treatment, its settlers are hung and Palestine is restored.
That’s what the Arab league has been saying for 70 years, people are finally listening to muslims now it seams
I hope you realize that you in your comment advocated for the killing of at least half a million people.
If he wants to destroy Hamas, what’s the plan for someone else to take over after Hamas? Oh right, there is no plan for that. Whenever this war ends, Hamas will still be there and more powerful than ever, because that’s exactly the strategy that is Israel is (wittingly or unwittingly) following.
I’m under the impression that it’s pretty evident that Israel is doing a land grab. They’ve been doing it since 1967.
