Americans, what's the plan if Trump wins the election in November? (serious) - eviltoast
  • Andy@slrpnk.net
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    I’m shocked more people aren’t already better prepared for this, but it’s actually the same thing we should be doing now, and continue to do if Biden actually wins:

    Organize locally. Get hyperlocal. Organize your city, neighbors, block, building, workplace, and friend group. Establish mutual aid networks, take back city councils, county boards, and school boards from the stewards of landlords and big employers.

    Establish protection for those who need it, and plant the crop of future national leaders who will do the long overdue work of putting government to work for the masses. Make it harder for any president or governor to exercise state violence by getting our people in prosecutors offices and judgeships.

    The Democrats are not going to save us. Biden is just planning to go down with the ship. Absolutely vote for the lesser of two evils if you live somewhere where your vote matters, but recognize that the Democratic party is not an ally to the antifascist movement, because combating fascism conflicts with the interests of capital.

    That can change, but until it does, don’t put faith in them. Anything positive they do will be because power-players were replaced. And that starts in your own neighborhood.

    Edit: Since this has been well received, I want to say a quick word on third parties: don’t be afraid of them.

    Without getting into a lot of details, there are a lot of myths about the risks that third parties present, but before we parrot all of that, we should just acknowledge that there is no harm in listening to their platforms. It doesn’t make you a kook to hear ideas that often get suppressed by the mainstream, or to use third parties as a way to network and meet people. I think Jill Stein has a lot of useful things to say, and if a pollster asks me, I will gladly try to bump her numbers up so that she is harder to ignore. Don’t be afraid to do that.

    • Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      This is good, and I’m piggybacking so I can add on:

      Get a passport, make friends in another country.

      Vote to slow them down, yell at anyone who tries to say that it’s better to not vote or that Trump would be better for Palestinians.

      If you want to engage in electoral reform, you need to start years in advance.

      If you live in Texas: Vote for Biden and encourage GOP voters to not vote for Trump. If you’re in a place with lots of GOP weirdos, try publicly and loudly watch his rallies at 1.5x speed; I’ve heard it breaks the spell b/c his cadence gets disrupted. If Texas goes blue, Biden wins and all the DNC voters suddenly know they can win, making it immediately more likely.

      If all else fails, remember someone might [Comment Cannot Legally Be Finished], which would solve multiple problems.

      • BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world
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        Texas was won by fewer than 633k votes. Considering Trump’s popularity I’d say it’s ripe for flipping but we can’t lay down on the job. Also the GOP policies are pushing out liberals and people that are vulnerable (LGBTQ+ and families with LGBTQ+ kids) so the window is closing.

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          I believe this so strongly!!! Everywhere i go i beg people to vote. It was really only a few percentage points. We don’t even have to flip people; just get the non-voters to go to the polls.

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        Get a passport, make friends in another country.

        Think it’s worth mentioning that U.S. politics sets the tone of politics in a lot of the west. When Trump won, the alt-right parties in more or less all of Europe grew significantly. Here in Sweden over the span of the almost 8 years since, our nazi party grew from a smaller party that the right wingers argued whether or not they should collaborate with in order to create a right-wing coalition and win majority, to the second largest party in Sweden.

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          Here in 2016 South Africa our online media spaces lit up like a fucking Christmas tree with all the white supremacists coming out of the woodwork to celebrate Trump’s win. Since then, the second-largest of our (so-called) “opposition” parties - a party that can pretty much be described as the party of white liberalism - has dumped any black people they had in senior positions and began using GOP-esqe dog-whistling. All our parties - pretty much the entire formal political establishment - has been very receptive to violent, USian-style anti-immigrant narratives.

          So yeah… you can flee the US - but you can’t really escape US politics.

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            I’m not even a little bit surprised, sadly.

            Last election we had here (2022) surveillance and stop and frisk were decently big talking points. Even the supposed Liberals are like “uwu so sad privacy is dying we have to be careful but big brother needs to sees you we nweed to be hawd on cwime!1!” I think the only party that’s not OK with it is the leftists.

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              surveillance and stop and frisk

              Lol! That reminds me… about three years ago I was notified of a “town meeting to discuss local problems” held at a local school here in middle-of-nowhere South Africa. It turns out it was just a shady PR attempt by the local branch of the “white liberal” party I described above (the so-called “Democratic Alliance”), and the suit there doesn’t talk about our decrepit and failing water, electricity and sewage infrastructure or the fact that this mining town is being economically extinguished by privatized interests… instead, the only order of business was to brag about how they had set up surveillance in our main streets and handing off the data to the piggy for free.

              I feel like strangling that particular suit every damn time I lay eyes on him.

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                I still don’t quite get how these people make sense of the world. We recently had a big reveal that our nazi party is using “anonymous social media accounts” to try and influence popular opinion. They claim that they don’t, and that the accounts aren’t affiliated with the party, but there was a whole report on the thing and it’s landed them in some hot water. The people voting for them are pretty much unfazed but the right-block alliance overall has taken quite a hit to their public support.

                One of the things these people who supposedly really love Sweden discussed, was how they could perhaps create some sort of campaign website to try and incide violence among migrants, and possibly incite terror attacks. Like, how do you reconcile your “patriotism and love for your country” with wanting people to perform terror attacks?

                Were I to play devil’s advocate I’d say that it’s possible that they were just shooting the shit, but even then? Isn’t it a bit over the top? As a gay guy I’m not joking about conversion therapy or forcible sterilisations.

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                  was how they could perhaps create some sort of campaign website to try and incide violence among migrants,

                  We had that exact thing here in South Africa in the late 80s and early 90s - the only difference was that it was actually enabled by the Apartheid-state through their terrorist proxies (ie, mainly the South African Police). When the anti-Apartheid groups didn’t act “terroristic” enough for their taste, they just did it themselves and used the media to create a narrative of “black-on-black violence” to try and destabilize the country.

                  Like, how do you reconcile your “patriotism and love for your country” with wanting people to perform terror attacks?

                  They “love” their countries in the same way that a rapist “loves” his victims - the feel themselves entitled to it and deserving of holding the power of life and death over it. They do not actually care about the real people living in Sweden in any way whatsoever. That’s pretty much standard fare when it comes to far right-wing ideology no matter what part of the world you find them in.

                  The reason they want to “incite” (so-called) “terror attacks” among migrants they see as not “white,” “Swedish” or “Nordic” enough is two-fold.

                  Firstly, they want the Swedish people to see these migrants the way they see them - as a (supposedly) bloodthirsty and rapacious “other.” Not much different from the way the Nazis portrayed the “Jewish-Bolshevik hordes” before and during WW2. A (supposed) “terror attack” that can be blamed on the “other” will essentially result in the media performing this function for them.

                  Secondly, they want an atmosphere of panic - such as existed right after 9/11 in the US. They know that such a state of things will allow their ideology to suddenly seem “relevant” in the same way that militarism suddenly became standard fare in the US afterwards.