Unless you've got a better plan in the next 6 months, grab a fucking bucket - eviltoast
  • Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works
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    6 months ago

    The editor has foolishly put them at the front of the boat pretending they’re enforcing it instead of slowly pouring cups of water into the boat.

    Leftists are the solution, not the far right and right.

    Also centrists under a fully right system, are sitting in the centre of the right and thus still rightists.

    • PugJesus@lemmy.worldOP
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      6 months ago

      Leftists are the solution, not the far right and right.

      It would be nice if they would vote once in a while. I’m assured they’re the vast majority of this country, but curiously, none of them ever seem to vote.

      • PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world
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        6 months ago

        Vote for who? So far, we’ve only had capitalist candidates. That’s not really up my alley, champ.

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          If I had to eat a shit sandwich, I think I’d opt for the one with slightly less shit in it.

          You’re all still going to have to eat the winning shit sandwich whether you choose one or not.

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          Oh, boy, they’re not up your alley, so sorry, in that case, please continue to ignore all possible contributions to the material conditions that allow the organization of labor and the prevention of fascism; I’m sure that passively watching the genocide of minorities is a small price to pay compared to the indignity of participating in the democratic process.

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            6 months ago

            Unionization is a capitalist compromise. The fact that it takes an entire army of people to equal the negotiation power of one owner is ridiculous and indicative of the terrible system we’re in.

            Keep on keeping on with the status quo. It seems like you like it.

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              Keep on keeping on with the status quo. It seems like you like it.

              You keep welcoming fascism, you seem quite fond of it. Sorry that the rest of us want to do silly things like “Be alive” or “Have rights”.

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                Democrats have been welcoming fascists the entire last four years by not preventing them from coming to power. We’ve had every possible avenue legally or legislatively to put an end to this and Democrats refuse to. They’re incapable.

                All we will get by voting for Joe Biden is four more years of peace until the next fascist begins to run, and we will have done nothing to stop them either.

                Your strategy is to win every election for the rest of all time. It’s just not tenable.

                We need a reform movement, and Democrats are incapable of that, clearly. As somebody else has said in this threat, going by the metaphor in the picture, Democrats need to be plugging the holes in the boat, not scooping out the water.

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                    6 months ago

                    Well, when you take out the other half of the sentence that provides context, I guess, you have a point.

                    /s

                    In fairness , it was my fault for taking a meme sub seriously.

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                  Democrats have been welcoming fascists the entire last four years by not preventing them from coming to power. We’ve had every possible avenue legally or legislatively to put an end to this and DemocratsDemocrats refuse to. They’re incapable.

                  I want you to explain to me how you expect the Democratic Party, (and just the Democratic Party, not assuming that suddenly you have replaced every functionary and Republican and Independent in the government) assuming it was suddenly animated as one with your spirit of grand strategy, would, in a manner democratic, lawful, and not politically self-destructive, have prevented the scenario we’re in now.

                  All we will get by voting for Joe Biden is four more years of peace until the next fascist begins to run, and we will have done nothing to stop them either.

                  Oh, in that case, fuck those four years of peace that we could use to organize and fight back, let’s let them get started on the orgy of genocide NOW, huh?

                  Your strategy is to win every election for the rest of all time. It’s just not tenable.

                  MY strategy in the long-term is to create political alternatives to the fuckery we’re in.

                  My strategy in the short-term is the only realistic one six months out from a presidential election against a fucking fascist with no other prominent political figures even vaguely considering running - vote for the coalition opposition candidate.

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                    You think we’ve been using this last four years to organize? Bull. That’s exactly my problem with the Democrats, is that they have done nothing in the last four years to stop what’s going on. We just all collectively acted like there was no problem, Because we were tired from the previous four years. A bunch of ostriches with their heads in the sand.

                    You say you want an alternative to our current system, but explicitly there is no option for that alternative if every election becomes a damage control election. You are reinforcing that system by demanding that people vote for Democrats, without Democrats having to change their views to match the populace. How are we supposed to enact change if our voices do not matter to our own party? You know this, and you’re stuck in that cognitive dissonance. Which is exactly where the party wants you.

                    As for solutions, I can think of quite a few things that I was proposing at the time that they were relevant. For starters, we should have never appointed Merrick Garland. All of the progressives were screaming at you folk about this, and you didn’t listen and now there’s egg on your face. Sorry, but that’s how it typically goes.

                    Secondly, we should have impeached Donald Trump the night of the insurrection when Republicans didn’t know which way the political winds were headed. You had people like Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham ready to get off the Trump train until Fox News was able to successfully spin it after the months and months long investigation. There was no need for an investigation. You could have had a one sentence impeachment article referencing the insurrection.

                    But these are Democrats we’re talking about. They don’t actually do anything.

                    Correction : the investigation was a couple of weeks. In my defense time moves much slower during that crazy month. My point still stands that they should have done it on the spot instead of letting Fox News spin it.