It is still possible to learn from the mistakes without name and shame blaming.
Though if you want to name and shame blame, politicians have to record the source of their donations, so it’s possible to list those that are currently taking money from the prison system and blocking change.
I honestly don’t understand America though, in other countries lobbying would be called corruption.
By silently voting you mean they just happen to love the prison system, or that they are hiding their links to it? It should be public knowledge if a politician is receiving kickbacks from the prison industrial complex, but I’m sure some manage to hide it too.
I’m all for publicly shaming them all, just trying to encourage focusing on the ones currently in power and on the take. But if you’re relying on people who have no shame to be ashamed, then there could well be no progress.
I don’t really understand your point but I do agree with everything you said.
I just think if we could see exactly which members of the 82nd Michigan legislature in 1984 passed the act and who donated to them we could have a better idea of who got us here today, thereby better answering the question above.
That’s probably a matter of public record somewhere but I don’t have the experience to find it
I was just trying to say there’s not much point in outing people who passed a decades old bill unless they are still in power. It’s more useful to highlight those that are in the pocket of the system and corruptly (legally through lobbying) blocking progress currently. They should be the targets.
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It is still possible to learn from the mistakes without name and shame blaming.
Though if you want to name and shame blame, politicians have to record the source of their donations, so it’s possible to list those that are currently taking money from the prison system and blocking change.
I honestly don’t understand America though, in other countries lobbying would be called corruption.
Not for a politician who would silently vote in favor of charging people for their own caging and enslavement.
If you’re that beholden to the prison industrial complex, you’re going to continue to be unless publicly shamed for it.
By silently voting you mean they just happen to love the prison system, or that they are hiding their links to it? It should be public knowledge if a politician is receiving kickbacks from the prison industrial complex, but I’m sure some manage to hide it too.
I’m all for publicly shaming them all, just trying to encourage focusing on the ones currently in power and on the take. But if you’re relying on people who have no shame to be ashamed, then there could well be no progress.
I don’t really understand your point but I do agree with everything you said.
I just think if we could see exactly which members of the 82nd Michigan legislature in 1984 passed the act and who donated to them we could have a better idea of who got us here today, thereby better answering the question above.
That’s probably a matter of public record somewhere but I don’t have the experience to find it
I was just trying to say there’s not much point in outing people who passed a decades old bill unless they are still in power. It’s more useful to highlight those that are in the pocket of the system and corruptly (legally through lobbying) blocking progress currently. They should be the targets.