Funny, those guys don't usually agree on that much - eviltoast

Do any of them know what the word “liberal” actually means?

  • Aux@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    You cannot be open minded, tolerant and support human rights and freedoms while opposing capitalism. If you oppose capitalism - you’re pretty much an authoritarian shill.

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      6 months ago

      Care to elaborate? Why is wanting to democratize production more authoritarian than wanting many competing dictators?

        • Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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          6 months ago

          Definitionally, it cannot. Capitalism is individual ownership, Socialism is collective ownership. By definition, workers in Capitalism have no real say.

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            Capitalism is individual ownership, That’s the key! It gives you all the rights and freedoms to create your own business and lead it the way YOU see fit. By definition, Capitalism doesn’t have workers or other classes, everyone is equal. Socialism is an authoritarian ideology, which puts the needs of a social construct (a virtual entity, if you prefer) over the needs, rights and freedoms of an individual. One must be very delusional to support authoritarian socialist ideas in any way, shape or form.

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              6 months ago

              Individual rights to become a Capital Owner and exploit the majority of society is by definition class society. In Socialism, there are no classes, because ownership is shared. There are no Capitalists exploiting workers.

              You don’t know enough about Socialism or Capitalism to discuss either.

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                6 months ago

                No, you don’t know enough if you think that equal freedoms and rights lead to “exploitation” and “classes” while inherently authoritarian ideology means there are no classes. Like, lol, what kind of lunacy is that?

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                  6 months ago

                  Workers do not have equal rights with Owners.

                  How is democratic ownership of Capital “inherently authoritarian?”