- cross-posted to:
- moviesandtv@lemm.ee
- cross-posted to:
- moviesandtv@lemm.ee
- The Marvels (Disney/Marvel)
- Budget: $219.8 million
- Box office: $206.1 million
- Net loss: -$237 million
- The Flash (Warner Bros./DC)
- Budget: $220 million
- Box office: $271.3 million
- Net loss: -$155 million
- Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (Disney/Lucasfilm)
- Budget: $387 million
- Box office: $384 million
- Net loss: -$143 million
- Wish (Disney)
- Budget: $200 million
- Box office: $254.9 million
- Net loss: -$131 million
- Haunted Mansion (Disney)
- Budget: $150 million
- Box office: $147.5 million
- Net loss: -$117 million
Just be aware that “woke” is a very charged term. It has been hijacked by the alt-right to critique anything they say that’s going against their conservative values. It is so vague that even alt-right pundits fail to define what the word means. It basically translates to “I’m out of touch and I don’t like this”.
The word you might want to use instead is “pandering” which Hollywood (and mass media in general) has been doing it since forever. Basically it’s insincerely showing support for some values just for the money. Which Disney has and is very much doing here being. But the alt-right will throw that label on genuine actions and media simply because it goes against their worldview and it becomes very inconsistent (e…g, strong super-agent man fantasy fine, strong super-agent woman fantasy is “woke”).
THIS!
This is what I wanted to say. Almost everything Disney does is fake, and it shows.
Thank you, I was feeling weird thinking… “Why does this community think The Marvels is not fake? Am I wrong?”
The word you should use is “pandering,” but I still disagree that the movie was pandering to anyone except comic book fans. It wasn’t a great film, but it was fun and true to the source material (with some understandable changes to Ms. Marvel’s powerset).
The heroes are women. The primary antagonist is a woman. Half of all people are women, so it’s not some crazy statistical anomaly to have a cast of primarily women.
Yes, they gender-swapped Dar-Benn. I’d wager all the money in my pockets that nobody complaining about “wokeness” had ever heard of Dar-Benn before this movie came out. Gender-swapping characters isn’t even a bad idea, considering the rampant misogyny in the history of comic book publishing (and, like, reality in general). Superhero teams have been sausage fests for like 100 years, and the women that were included were little more than eye candy and thinly-veiled fetish caricatures.
I agree with you on all points. But I feel like Disney did it only for the money. Lots of my favorite movies have strong female casts or leads, like Alien, Contact, Arrival, Star Wars, Anime: Ghost in the Shell, Nausicaa, Mononoke and more. But I felt those movies were honest.
I don’t have anything against a primarily female cast, or gemder-swapped Dar-Benn at all. I don’t care about that. I just felt the movie was fake in spirit.
I’m sorry if I have offended you by misusing the word “woke” which I now know it’s meaning, and secondly if I have expressed myself in a demeaning manner against a movie you enjoyed. My first mistake was out of ignorance, the latter mistake is of bad etiquette, and I apologize for that. I hope this post can convey my opinion in a more respectful manner, beyond our opposing point or views or not, i really value healthy discussion and the exchange of point of views as I enjoy learning, and even more so with well educated people like you, well versed in a topic (in this case, comic-books).
Thank you for taking the time to reply to my post (that I now understand looked like a right wing extremist’s opinion 🤣) and sharing your point of view with me.