Bloat - eviltoast
  • RustyNova@lemmy.world
    1402·
    6 months ago

    Yes. It is bloated. But not for the reasons you may think.

    Live OSes need to fit multiple requirements compared to the installed ones. They need to:

    • Install the OS without internet
    • Provide a test ground for the OS
    • Be a way to repair damaged OS

    So of course it’s bloated, but in a good way. You may be already familiar with Ubuntu, and not care about the live OS part, so it would be bloat for you. You may not care about setting up disks, so GParted is bloat for you, etc…

    If you want a less bloated installer, some other distros like debian give net installers

    • TheImpressiveX@lemmy.ml
      231·
      6 months ago

      Enjoy the faster downloads.

      magnet:?xt=urn:btih:2aa4f5a7e209e54b32803d43670971c4c8caaa05&dn=ubuntu-24.04-desktop-amd64.iso&tr=https%3a%2f%2ftorrent.ubuntu.com%2fannounce&tr=https%3a%2f%2fipv6.torrent.ubuntu.com%2fannounce

      • 乇ㄥ乇¢ㄒ尺ㄖ@infosec.pub
        321·
        6 months ago

        Your Internet is flying… Oh my gosh… just noticed… I could only dream of seeing such speeds with my ISP…

        anyways, even if it was a 500Mb ISO, using Qbit is much faster and you help others too…

  • ThyTTY@lemmy.world
    352·
    6 months ago

    Seriously what’s in there? Last ISO I’ve used with size like this came with 6 different DEs. Ubuntu ships only Gnome IIRC

    • bleistift2@feddit.deEnglish
      65·
      6 months ago

      Every driver you could possibly need for any hardware in the last 20 years? This is a live CD and is expected to just work no matter what you’re running it on.

      Edit: Also, of course, every program you might need to usefully test-drive a distro, like office apps, media players, image viewers, browser, email client, and a myriad more. Now that I’ve said it I find 6GB remarkably small.

        • thanatotus@lemmy.ml
          24·
          6 months ago

          Fedora also by default includes only free stuff. AFAIK Ubuntu includes non free codecs for media and other software that doesn’t fit in FOSS category (it’s also one of t the reasons why Ububtu became so popular in my opinion, it just works works out of the box)

    • mihnt@lemmy.ca
      52·
      6 months ago

      Ubuntu ships only Gnome IIRC

      Unity is it’s default.

  • Ananace@lemmy.ananace.dev
    30·
    6 months ago

    What is truly bloated is their network-install images, starting with a 14MB kernel and 65MB initrd, which then proceeds to pull a 2.5GB image which they unpack into RAM to run the install.

    This is especially egregious when running thin VMs for lots of things, since you now require them to have at least 4GB of RAM simply to be able to launch the installer at all.

    Compare this to regular Debian, which uses an 8MB kernel and a 40MB initrd for the entire installer.
    Or some larger like AlmaLinux, which has a 13MB kernel and a 98MB initrd, and which also pulls a 900MB image for the installer. (Which does mean a 2GB RAM minimum, but is still almost a third of the size of Ubuntu)

    • Possibly linux@lemmy.zipOPEnglish
      9·
      6 months ago

      Not to mention pulling a 2.5GB image is kind of hard on network. I don’t get it as that costs them more money.

      • Ananace@lemmy.ananace.dev
        2·
        6 months ago

        We’re mirroring the images internally, not just because their mirrors suck and would almost double the total install time when using them, but also because they only host the images for the very latest patch version - and they’ve multiple times made major version changes which have broken the installer between patches in 22.04 alone.

  • Optional@lemmy.world
    27·
    6 months ago

    If only there was some alternative distro without the bloat. Say, one link down from that one.

    • Possibly linux@lemmy.zipOPEnglish
      51·
      6 months ago

      Or Linux Mint regular ISO. You know its bad when Linux mint has a comparatively small iso