I’ve worked as a field hand on multiple farms, picked rock, pulled ragweed, moved grain bins, fixed tractors, etc. I grew up in a rural area. Everyone I know has done work similar to this.
And, let me get this straight, your whole big “workers rights” point here is that the guys ‘managing’ from inside the air conditioned building should make a lot more money than the laborers in the field.
You need to stop assuming things about me, my dude. Everyone should be paid a living wage. Beyond that, getting a promotion should mean a wage adjustment for a change in work scope and increased work demand. Having done both mental and physical labor, they are both exhausting in their own ways. Now if you want to debate “fair wage increase” as I mentioned earlier in the thread, that’s one of the points of having a union.
…. Ok, so this whole time you didn’t actually pay attention to my initial comment, you just made up a guy and then got mad at him?
Again, my initial comment: “just getting a promotion doesn’t necessarily mean a pay increase! Sometimes a promotion can lead to work that’s essentially easier and in this case managers and laborers should be paid the same, or maybe managers less sometimes!”
You: what the fuck. What the absolute fuck. Don’t you get workers rights at all?? Managers should always make more!!!
Just a really… bizarre knee jerk reaction from you. I think you have good intentions, but you were so eager to “call someone out” that you essentially went against your own morals
Again, my point is that all promotions should come with a wage adjustment. Believe it or not, but promotions aren’t always into management. Even if they were, a good manager knows what it takes to do the job and is therefore worth getting paid more to utilize that experience in a management role.
I simply don’t think “climbing rigid corporate structures for more money” is compatible with a worker focused economy. It’s fine for a deeply capitalist outlook on things
If we’re talking about work being structured in a cooperative fashion, then yes I’d agree. But until we as workers own the means of production, we need to fight for fair compensation in all jobs. This includes fighting for raises when you’re promoted.
How are you ever going to get fairly compensated compared to a person working in an air conditioned work if you don’t think you should fight for fair compensation for your work?
A promotion from a field tech to an office job is a promotion, a promotion from field tech to a supervisory, more technical, field managerial role is also a promotion and should come with fair compensation.
It’s like your arguing against yourself to create this weird dichotomy. What you are trying to this person you’re talking to is gross btw. You are trying to undermine their credibility because their argument is better than yours, goose.
It’s a good thing I have literally never once in my entire life said workers shouldn’t right for fair compensation. It’s a very bizarre and almost funny point that you keep consistently just pulling out of thin air and then getting mad at lmfao.
I for one, can’t believe you think every boss should get 3 foot jobs a month from each of their employees. (That’s just a joke, I know you don’t think that, I’m just making up a detail to get mad at that no one actually said)
Well, it’s kind of poetic in a way that you think you know more than I do. I’m sure you think you do. You’ve essentially been sitting here getting mad at someone who does not exist this whole time. It’s funny, in a tragic, in need of genuine mental health kind of way
That fine if you don’t believe me, but I know my lived experience.
What are your blue collar jobs my man. Don’t be shy
I’ve worked as a field hand on multiple farms, picked rock, pulled ragweed, moved grain bins, fixed tractors, etc. I grew up in a rural area. Everyone I know has done work similar to this.
And, let me get this straight, your whole big “workers rights” point here is that the guys ‘managing’ from inside the air conditioned building should make a lot more money than the laborers in the field.
Yeah… that’s real… progressive of you man…
You need to stop assuming things about me, my dude. Everyone should be paid a living wage. Beyond that, getting a promotion should mean a wage adjustment for a change in work scope and increased work demand. Having done both mental and physical labor, they are both exhausting in their own ways. Now if you want to debate “fair wage increase” as I mentioned earlier in the thread, that’s one of the points of having a union.
…. Ok, so this whole time you didn’t actually pay attention to my initial comment, you just made up a guy and then got mad at him?
Again, my initial comment: “just getting a promotion doesn’t necessarily mean a pay increase! Sometimes a promotion can lead to work that’s essentially easier and in this case managers and laborers should be paid the same, or maybe managers less sometimes!”
You: what the fuck. What the absolute fuck. Don’t you get workers rights at all?? Managers should always make more!!!
Just a really… bizarre knee jerk reaction from you. I think you have good intentions, but you were so eager to “call someone out” that you essentially went against your own morals
Again, my point is that all promotions should come with a wage adjustment. Believe it or not, but promotions aren’t always into management. Even if they were, a good manager knows what it takes to do the job and is therefore worth getting paid more to utilize that experience in a management role.
I simply don’t think “climbing rigid corporate structures for more money” is compatible with a worker focused economy. It’s fine for a deeply capitalist outlook on things
If we’re talking about work being structured in a cooperative fashion, then yes I’d agree. But until we as workers own the means of production, we need to fight for fair compensation in all jobs. This includes fighting for raises when you’re promoted.
How are you ever going to get fairly compensated compared to a person working in an air conditioned work if you don’t think you should fight for fair compensation for your work?
A promotion from a field tech to an office job is a promotion, a promotion from field tech to a supervisory, more technical, field managerial role is also a promotion and should come with fair compensation.
It’s like your arguing against yourself to create this weird dichotomy. What you are trying to this person you’re talking to is gross btw. You are trying to undermine their credibility because their argument is better than yours, goose.
It’s a good thing I have literally never once in my entire life said workers shouldn’t right for fair compensation. It’s a very bizarre and almost funny point that you keep consistently just pulling out of thin air and then getting mad at lmfao.
I for one, can’t believe you think every boss should get 3 foot jobs a month from each of their employees. (That’s just a joke, I know you don’t think that, I’m just making up a detail to get mad at that no one actually said)
I don’t know what you think You’ve been arguing in this thread, but it’s not what you think You’ve been arguing with you words.
Well, it’s kind of poetic in a way that you think you know more than I do. I’m sure you think you do. You’ve essentially been sitting here getting mad at someone who does not exist this whole time. It’s funny, in a tragic, in need of genuine mental health kind of way
You see like the mad one dude, been getting pass around this thread like a used tissue, starting to get to you