I’m not even the guy you originally responded to and I have no stake in this, I am simply telling you that your statements make you sound stupid.
Marxism is a socialist~communist socioeconomic/political philsosophy, and being a Marxist means you follow the ideals of said ideology, making you a socialist and/or communist (depending on the usage of the word). It does not simply (have to) mean you think “yeah the things Marx says about class are accurate”, it means you advocate for the solutions he describes for the industrialist plague.
Calling someone a “capitalist Marxist” is fucking gold lol, I mean depending on context/connotation of the word it isn’t always technically impossible (if that’s what you want to call class-conscious capitalists), but in this case it certainly is impossible since he’s clearly meaning it in the sense of someone who believes in implementing Marx’s socialism, not just someone who believes that what Marx says about politics/economy/power is accurate.
and being a Marxist means you follow the ideals of said ideology
Oh boy… another edgy liberal that clings to Marx because “western culture” couldn’t provide you with an identity that wasn’t bought at a strip-mall.
This shouldn’t be so difficult to understand, but I guess everything has to be difficult when dealing with white liberals who can’t tell the difference between identity and ideology.
Do tell, genius… do you really think economists take Marx seriously because of his ideology? Don’t be silly - they take him seriously because his critique of capitalism is an economic one that is completely separable from Marx’s ideological stance. Marx was a scientist first and foremost. Understanding Marx’s critique of capitalism requires no ideological frame in any way whatsoever.
You might just as well tell me that you need to be a Bakuninist to understand, or admit to, climate change - and you’d be equally as silly.
it isn’t always technically impossible
I’m really sorry that Marx didn’t actually provide you with the neatly-packaged counter-cultural identity that you assumed he would - but that’s not something we can blame Marx for. That’s all on you.
It’s time to realize that that Che Guevara t-shirt you own is just that - a t-shirt.
Lol what, I’m not a Marxist dumbass. I’m not the guy you originally responded to, as I said in the first sentence. You look like a clown
Don’t go crying just because you were too stupid to realize that words have multiple meanings, and that he was referring to Marxism as an ideology rather than Marxism as a theory. Hint – many throughout history have used interpretations of Marx’s analysis and ideas of a democratic socioeconomic system to push for a Marxist implementation of socialist/communist society, hence Marxism as an ideology. It’s extremely straightforward to derive for normal people, but not you apparently.
Is it suddenly my fault that all you liberals sound the same? I think not… your mind-numbing conformity is on you - not me.
It’s your fault when you literally can’t read the first sentence in the comment. It’s also funny how you say that when you sound literally the exact same as everyone on red-fash reddit & lemmy instances and are literally insulting people by calling them “mind-numbingly conformist”. Do you not see the hypocrisy???
Calling random, usually leftist/socialist/anarchist, Lemmy users “liberals” itself is cringe. As well as even using the word “conformist” in this context. You are quite literally just throwing random no-no words at people you don’t like after making incorrect assumptions about their political ideologies. What exactly is a “liberal” to you?
Oh, are we backpedalling now? Wasn’t this you just a short while ago? “Calling someone a “capitalist Marxist” is fucking gold” Doesn’t seem like you’re all that certain of your own case all of a sudden - I wonder why?
Holy shit you can’t be serious, I literally say the phrase has multiple meanings IN THE NEXT CLAUSE OF THE SAME SENTENCE:
I mean depending on context/connotation of the word it isn’t always technically impossible (if that’s what you want to call class-conscious capitalists), but in this [context] it certainly is …
At this point you’re willingly ignoring what’s right in front of you to be pretentious and try to “win”.
You getting your feels hurt does not imply any failure on my part, okay?
I’m not even the guy you originally responded to and I have no stake in this, I am simply telling you that your statements make you sound stupid.
Marxism is a socialist~communist socioeconomic/political philsosophy, and being a Marxist means you follow the ideals of said ideology, making you a socialist and/or communist (depending on the usage of the word). It does not simply (have to) mean you think “yeah the things Marx says about class are accurate”, it means you advocate for the solutions he describes for the industrialist plague.
Calling someone a “capitalist Marxist” is fucking gold lol, I mean depending on context/connotation of the word it isn’t always technically impossible (if that’s what you want to call class-conscious capitalists), but in this case it certainly is impossible since he’s clearly meaning it in the sense of someone who believes in implementing Marx’s socialism, not just someone who believes that what Marx says about politics/economy/power is accurate.
Oh boy… another edgy liberal that clings to Marx because “western culture” couldn’t provide you with an identity that wasn’t bought at a strip-mall.
This shouldn’t be so difficult to understand, but I guess everything has to be difficult when dealing with white liberals who can’t tell the difference between identity and ideology.
Do tell, genius… do you really think economists take Marx seriously because of his ideology? Don’t be silly - they take him seriously because his critique of capitalism is an economic one that is completely separable from Marx’s ideological stance. Marx was a scientist first and foremost. Understanding Marx’s critique of capitalism requires no ideological frame in any way whatsoever.
You might just as well tell me that you need to be a Bakuninist to understand, or admit to, climate change - and you’d be equally as silly.
I’m really sorry that Marx didn’t actually provide you with the neatly-packaged counter-cultural identity that you assumed he would - but that’s not something we can blame Marx for. That’s all on you.
It’s time to realize that that Che Guevara t-shirt you own is just that - a t-shirt.
Lol what, I’m not a Marxist dumbass. I’m not the guy you originally responded to, as I said in the first sentence. You look like a clown
Don’t go crying just because you were too stupid to realize that words have multiple meanings, and that he was referring to Marxism as an ideology rather than Marxism as a theory. Hint – many throughout history have used interpretations of Marx’s analysis and ideas of a democratic socioeconomic system to push for a Marxist implementation of socialist/communist society, hence Marxism as an ideology. It’s extremely straightforward to derive for normal people, but not you apparently.
Is it suddenly my fault that all you liberals sound the same? I think not… your mind-numbing conformity is on you - not me.
Oh, are we backpedalling now? Wasn’t this you just a short while ago?
Doesn’t seem like you’re all that certain of your own case all of a sudden - I wonder why?
It’s your fault when you literally can’t read the first sentence in the comment. It’s also funny how you say that when you sound literally the exact same as everyone on red-fash reddit & lemmy instances and are literally insulting people by calling them “mind-numbingly conformist”. Do you not see the hypocrisy???
Calling random, usually leftist/socialist/anarchist, Lemmy users “liberals” itself is cringe. As well as even using the word “conformist” in this context. You are quite literally just throwing random no-no words at people you don’t like after making incorrect assumptions about their political ideologies. What exactly is a “liberal” to you?
Holy shit you can’t be serious, I literally say the phrase has multiple meanings IN THE NEXT CLAUSE OF THE SAME SENTENCE:
At this point you’re willingly ignoring what’s right in front of you to be pretentious and try to “win”.
I generally don’t take antisemites seriously. Therefore Marx is a blowhard in my book.