I can look inside myself and understand that I dont feel other races are bad or inferior, or whatever. That guy for 35+ years thought less of other races. If it took him 35+ years to realize that other races are not bad/inferior, then I dont really think they have a good perspective on anything. I am glad they are getting better, but they sure as hell are not a wise person, and that doenst even get into how they would know what is Musks brain.
You can believe that to be true, and I suppose you really could be that enlightened. But most people have some degree of implicit bias, and it is wise to be aware of this and to actively challenge our own biases.
I read MonsierPatEBrown’s comment as similar to your first sentence here, but it took them 35+ years to recognize they do have stigmas towards black people that they’re now working on. That’s an accomplishment many people will never achieve tbh.
Even if you have implicit bias which you could argue everyone has, you can use your rational human brain and treat them like everyone else. He seems to struggle with not being accidentally rude to black people, which seems awful crazy to me. And I would bet that he is patronizing to black people who can tell he treats them with some kind of white savior complex. It should be as simple as treating everyone the same and not believe you have higher intrinsic value.
Sure, you can and should if you’re aware of the challenge and care enough to combat those biases. It might feel like second nature for some, but it can also be like a muscle that needs to be exercised for others. It sounds like they’re trying to do so now, and that kind of growth should be encouraged imo.
Considering how many people will either assume they’re open minded enough already without really reflecting on if there’s room for improvement or actively go out of their way to treat others like they’re inferior, I don’t see the value in dragging other folks down for attempting to be more conscientious towards others. Who knows - maybe another future former racist will read their comment and come to the same realization.
It seems like you are making a mountain out of a molehill on this one. I dont think many of the implicit bias that people may experience manifests into an action that is significant. I can see how that could be true for some of the older people where they might say things that sound a little offensive, but I dont think it is a problem that carries a lot of weight. I would say that people more want to try to solve a problem that doesnt really exist, and in doing that they can create a new bigger problem.
Part of my journey of self-discovery was realizing that people are not good or evil. The people generally doing evil things, are not doing them because they believe they’re evil, or the people they’re serving are evil.
Everyone believes they’re in the right, for one reason or another. And everyone believes they’re on the side of good. It’s like competing religions, they all think they’re “right”.
Someone like Trump’s motivations aren’t evil, even though it manifests as evil through the people that listen to and support him. Trump’s just a selfish, narcissistic dick who will step on, over, through, or kill anyone who prevents him from getting what he wants, and what he wants is to be constantly catered to, pleased, made happy, and be given what he wants and told how great he is all the time. That’s it.
The people that support him aren’t evil. They’re racist dickheads mainly, but they’re not evil. They’re scared of what they don’t understand and they’re angry at a changing world they don’t fit in and they want things to go back to a time when the color of their skin was good enough to guarantee that they had a stable life.
The truth is nobody gets that sort of life anymore. Not PoC, not Straight White CIS males, not anyone. The Billionaires and Oligarch have stolen that from us. From all of us. They are the real enemy. Not each other. They’ve spent a considerable part of their wealth over the years convincing us that the different kinds of us are the problem. It’s not a political issue, it’s not a race issue, it’s an education and class issue.
Those are the people we need to be angry at. Guys like the OP that were probably raised in a racist household, had racist friends, community influences, and traditions, actually breaking out of that and correcting it so that he’s working on addressing his systemic racist beliefs? Those guys are one in a million, literally, let me tell you.
I’ve been on the internet since Prodigy dial-up days, and people like that are rare as fuck. If you want to help solve racism in the world, you’re going to need to make some compromises from what I suspect is an ideal/perfect world you have in your head that’s black and white. At some point, if you stay on your path long enough, you’ll hopefully realize that there is no black, there is no white, everything’s a shade of gray or a different color between the rainbow. People like OP are allies worth having, they’re success stories to tell; they’re not the enemy.
Billionaires are the enemy. Never, ever let them make you forget that.
So when you seem to call most people that support trump “racist dickheads”, how can you not see the evil in that? The issue is that I dont think you truly understand what is happening with trump or biden, you are just listening to the media that either directly lies, or misleads you into believing things. Right now from what I can see, people are not allowed to disagree with your ideas without being a bad according to you.
I can look inside myself and understand that I dont feel other races are bad or inferior, or whatever. That guy for 35+ years thought less of other races. If it took him 35+ years to realize that other races are not bad/inferior, then I dont really think they have a good perspective on anything. I am glad they are getting better, but they sure as hell are not a wise person, and that doenst even get into how they would know what is Musks brain.
You can believe that to be true, and I suppose you really could be that enlightened. But most people have some degree of implicit bias, and it is wise to be aware of this and to actively challenge our own biases.
I read MonsierPatEBrown’s comment as similar to your first sentence here, but it took them 35+ years to recognize they do have stigmas towards black people that they’re now working on. That’s an accomplishment many people will never achieve tbh.
Even if you have implicit bias which you could argue everyone has, you can use your rational human brain and treat them like everyone else. He seems to struggle with not being accidentally rude to black people, which seems awful crazy to me. And I would bet that he is patronizing to black people who can tell he treats them with some kind of white savior complex. It should be as simple as treating everyone the same and not believe you have higher intrinsic value.
Sure, you can and should if you’re aware of the challenge and care enough to combat those biases. It might feel like second nature for some, but it can also be like a muscle that needs to be exercised for others. It sounds like they’re trying to do so now, and that kind of growth should be encouraged imo.
Considering how many people will either assume they’re open minded enough already without really reflecting on if there’s room for improvement or actively go out of their way to treat others like they’re inferior, I don’t see the value in dragging other folks down for attempting to be more conscientious towards others. Who knows - maybe another future former racist will read their comment and come to the same realization.
It seems like you are making a mountain out of a molehill on this one. I dont think many of the implicit bias that people may experience manifests into an action that is significant. I can see how that could be true for some of the older people where they might say things that sound a little offensive, but I dont think it is a problem that carries a lot of weight. I would say that people more want to try to solve a problem that doesnt really exist, and in doing that they can create a new bigger problem.
Part of my journey of self-discovery was realizing that people are not good or evil. The people generally doing evil things, are not doing them because they believe they’re evil, or the people they’re serving are evil.
Everyone believes they’re in the right, for one reason or another. And everyone believes they’re on the side of good. It’s like competing religions, they all think they’re “right”.
Someone like Trump’s motivations aren’t evil, even though it manifests as evil through the people that listen to and support him. Trump’s just a selfish, narcissistic dick who will step on, over, through, or kill anyone who prevents him from getting what he wants, and what he wants is to be constantly catered to, pleased, made happy, and be given what he wants and told how great he is all the time. That’s it.
The people that support him aren’t evil. They’re racist dickheads mainly, but they’re not evil. They’re scared of what they don’t understand and they’re angry at a changing world they don’t fit in and they want things to go back to a time when the color of their skin was good enough to guarantee that they had a stable life.
The truth is nobody gets that sort of life anymore. Not PoC, not Straight White CIS males, not anyone. The Billionaires and Oligarch have stolen that from us. From all of us. They are the real enemy. Not each other. They’ve spent a considerable part of their wealth over the years convincing us that the different kinds of us are the problem. It’s not a political issue, it’s not a race issue, it’s an education and class issue.
Those are the people we need to be angry at. Guys like the OP that were probably raised in a racist household, had racist friends, community influences, and traditions, actually breaking out of that and correcting it so that he’s working on addressing his systemic racist beliefs? Those guys are one in a million, literally, let me tell you.
I’ve been on the internet since Prodigy dial-up days, and people like that are rare as fuck. If you want to help solve racism in the world, you’re going to need to make some compromises from what I suspect is an ideal/perfect world you have in your head that’s black and white. At some point, if you stay on your path long enough, you’ll hopefully realize that there is no black, there is no white, everything’s a shade of gray or a different color between the rainbow. People like OP are allies worth having, they’re success stories to tell; they’re not the enemy.
Billionaires are the enemy. Never, ever let them make you forget that.
So when you seem to call most people that support trump “racist dickheads”, how can you not see the evil in that? The issue is that I dont think you truly understand what is happening with trump or biden, you are just listening to the media that either directly lies, or misleads you into believing things. Right now from what I can see, people are not allowed to disagree with your ideas without being a bad according to you.