You can't claim to be an environmentalist and be anti-nuclear energy at the same time - eviltoast
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        8 months ago

        There is this crazy new trend called renewables. Also, please quote the part where I supported fossil fuels.

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      8 months ago

      It’s not as toxic as coal. It is only that you are used to those effects. It’s also a safer industry to work in. Technically safer even than wind and solar last I looked. I wouldn’t treat it as a permanent solution. But it could keep the lights on while we pivot to renewables.

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        8 months ago

        I wouldn’t treat it as a permanent solution. But it could keep the lights on while we pivot to renewables.

        Agreed, that´s the compromise I would propose too.

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          I know some people in nuclear power and get in arguments with them all the time about this. (they’re not big fans of renewables. shocker.) But they’re right that renewables just aren’t ready to take over yet. Where I’d say we need to fund renewable research and development—they are deadset it’s a waste of money. But fossil fuels have got to go. I think it’d be for the best if no one was ever comfortable with nuclear but I just don’t see another alternative that works with how quickly we are killing the planet. 🤷‍♂️

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        8 months ago

        The guy is obviously an advertiser/influencer working for the nuclear industry, which makes his opinion on the topic irrelevant.

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          8 months ago

          “Obvously…” /s

          Or, when you run the numbers yourself, you realize that it’s about as dangerous as offshore wind turbines are to birds and fish. Which is to say, not very, but a lot of extremely dumb people still parrot it.

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            8 months ago

            Stop pretending. It is obvious that the guy is a pro nuclear advertiser. Anyone can see that in a 5 minute google search.

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      Burning coal creates more radioactive waste but with nuclear power it’s contained instead of combusted into the air we breathe.

      Still not a fan of nuclear, mainly because I think it takes quite long to build compared to the timeframe we have for fixing climate change, although I’ve seen some articles that it’s supposed to be faster now than the past 10 years.

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        Burning coal creates more radioactive waste but with nuclear power it’s contained instead of combusted into the air we breathe.

        Fortunately, opposing nuclear power does not mean supporting fossil fuels.

        Still not a fan of nuclear, mainly because I think it takes quite long to build compared to the timeframe we have for fixing climate change

        Agreed, that is another good argument against nuklear.

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      8 months ago

      You drank the Kool-aid and asked for seconds didn’t you?

      It’s impressive to see the massive power of oil-industry-paid propaganda.

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        8 months ago

        Please quote the part where I supported fossil fuels. I am pro renewables, not pro fossil.

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          I never said you supported fossil fuels. Please point to the part where I said or implied such a thing.

          I’m affirming that the notion that “nuclear waste is incredibly toxic” is false and it’s a propaganda piece that was inserted into popular culture by the oil industry who paid to make the idea mainstream. Nuclear waste is not inherently any more toxic than standing outside under the sun. But you repeated that because you were brainwashed by the propaganda, that the oil industry paid for to disseminate in pop culture.

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            Nuclear waste is not inherently any more toxic than standing outside under the sun.

            Nuclear waste contains Plutonium and that is only one of several highly toxic substances it contains. Are you seriously trying to tell me Plutonium is not extremely toxic?

            But you repeated that because you were brainwashed by the propaganda, that the oil industry paid for to disseminate in pop culture.

            Both, the nuclear and the fossil lobby have spread disinformation systematically, you are a good example for the pro nuclear propaganda. I on the other hand reject both, fossil and nuclear because both are harmful.

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              There’s a qualitative difference between the fact “Plutonium is toxic“ and the propaganda piece “nuclear waste is toxic”. The first is an statement of truth about a chemical element, the second is an attempt to halt rational thinking. Nuclear waste is depleted fuel encased in concrete. You can stand next to it without any ill consequence to your health and it is not toxic. Unless you actively try to break into it, you won’t be harmed anymore than standing under the sun.

              But seeing the way you reacted to some other person showing evidence, with the construction of an ugly ad-hominem attack and the equivalent of a child sticking fingers in their ears and singing. I would not be wasting any more electricity on you. You say pro-nuclear propaganda, as if both positive and negative propaganda aren’t nuances to take into account. That truth can lie at the core of propaganda, and that the best propaganda is the one that doesn’t have to lie to make its point. While still regurgitating and supporting negative propaganda based on scientific falsehoods that goes against your own self-proclaimed principles and goals.