Western media are slowly admitting that shills, propagandists, and putinbots were right all along. - eviltoast
  • SeventyTwoTrillion [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    Ukraine has a responsibility to make sure US and foreign support isn’t wasted and they’re doing just that.

    idk dude, maybe you should stop sending wave after wave after wave of leopards and bradleys into minefields if you want to not waste Western resources

    I hope Ukraine kill all these invading Russian motherfuckers and that Putin dies too.

    the saddest thing is that at the end of this war, there will be hundreds of thousands if not millions of dead Ukrainians, all who died because of Western hatred. but you won’t actually care, will you? the lives of the average Ukrainian mean nothing to you. you could send a hundred Ukrainians to die horrifically in the no man’s land and if a Russian stubs his toe because of it, you would call it a worthy sacrifice, because causing the Russians inconvenience and suffering is worth much more than saving the lives of innocent people who have been conscripted at gunpoint.

    if it wasn’t a worthy sacrifice, and you thought this wholesale slaughter should stop, you would support ending the war, like the left does.

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      Yes, all because of western hatred, fuck all to do with the people who invaded in the first place. They’re all imperalist fucks but takes like this on the situation are just completely braindead.

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            If they didn’t, then you’d still have 300,000 bodies to throw at them - not to mention openly breaking treaties isn’t a good look internationally - particularly if you’re trying to build a counter bloc or at least ensure neutrality

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              Ukraine shoulda kept those nukes, those are much better at protecting neutrality when you share a border with Russia. Educate yourself about the Budapest memorandum and maybe you’ll realize your hypocrisy. Why the sam hell do you think would Russia care about breaking internal law?

              • ElHexo [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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                Ukraine didn’t have the ability to use them, except to take the radioactive material and put them into conventional weapons - which they could do anyway because of their nuclear industry.

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                    Yes, of course.

                    Belarus would argue that the US broke their memorandum first with sanctions IIRC, Russia would argue that the 2014 revolution in Ukraine was in part due to US political interference, the US would argue that Russia broke it in Crimea in 2014 and Ukraine in 2022.

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          Of course not! It’s not Ukraine’s fault that the Russian Federation invaded and demanded they give up land.

        • SeventyTwoTrillion [he/him]@hexbear.net
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          Holy shit, NATOpedia made an article saying “Hey, there might be actual historical context to this situation and Putin didn’t wake up on February 24th and decide to murder a bunch of people because he’s a very evil bad bad man and King Zelensky shall slay the dragon and then we all live happily ever after.” is actually Russian disinformation? Oh my fucking god. These people are unbearable.

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      That has to be one of the dumbest takes I’ve ever read on the internet.

      If the West wouldn’t support Ukraine then the Russians would kill them without resistance, that’s about it.

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        Did all the Japanese get killed after they surrendered? Did all Germans? If they had surrendered earlier less of them would have died. The same goes for Nazi Ukraine. Their defeat is inevitable, and prolonging the inevitable only adds to the suffering…and to the list of war crimes that they will be charged with by Russia’s tribunals afterwards. The West’s “support” is literally destroying Ukraine and they have all admitted that they have no problem with this, in fact they profit from it.

        The West is happy to “fight to the last Ukrainian” to hurt Russia, the Banderite Nazis are happy to die (and force their less fanatical compatriots to do so as well) for the West so long as it enables their genocidal urges, meanwhile the only ones who actually care about the Ukrainian people and have gone out of their way to try and save them from the Western imperialists and from themselves are the Russians.

        It’s actually really sad that there isn’t a single country on the planet that cares about Ukraine except Russia (and maybe Belarus). To the West they’re just a tool, useful idiot cannon fodder, to the rest of the world they’re a tragic cautionary tale about what happens when you let the lunatics take over the asylum, which is what happened on the Maidan in 2014. If you really cared about Ukraine you too would want the flow of weapons and money to them to stop, because the longer this goes on the worse it will be for them.

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        If the West didn’t organize a coup in Ukraine, put Nazis into power, then prod them into slaughtering their countrymen, then the Russians wouldn’t have invaded. The Russians didn’t just wake up one day and decide to invade Ukraine.

        I’d love to see how you people will react when Mexico joins BRICS and the US invades it.

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          I’d love to see how you people will react when Mexico joins BRICS and the US invades it.

          I cannot fucking wait for China and Russia to do freedom of navigation exercises between Cuba and Florida like how the US does with Taiwan and China and for Americans to just fucking LOSE it. Holy shit, it’ll be so funny. “No, this isn’t the same because China is evil and we’re the good guys!”

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        If the west wouldn’t ‘support’ Ukraine then they’d still have their democratically elected government and wouldn’t be in conflict with Russia in the first place

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            If nearly a decade ago Ukraine were allowed to keep it’s democratically elected government, they would be under Putin’s control?

            Why do you feel comfortable jumping in to argue when you don’t seem to know what’s being talked about in the first place?

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              The leader that Ukraine rejected because he was under Moscow’s control? Funny that you don’t mention the constant meddling that Moscow has been doing in Ukrainian politics to bring it under their control. Ukraine elects a leader that wants to align with Europe and not Russia and suddenly Russia engages in a 3 day war to get rid of Zelensky. Funny that.

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                Holy shit what a nauseating smuglord

                hitler-detector from how you assign the will of “Ukraine” to the fascist militias that carried out the coup. Not the actual voting population of the country. Those people aren’t “Ukraine”. Because “Ukraine” rejected what Ukraine voted for. FuNnY thAt.

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