Why do we even have to have this conversation in the first place - eviltoast
  • LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee
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    9 months ago

    Ultimately, you always get the politicians you deserve. If your choice is always a bit shit, perhaps you need to look at yourselves instead of complaining about who is assumed to be the best choice.

    That is madness. The reason the US gets shit candidates is because of shit takes like that (sorry). Because there are incredibly forces at work. Not “behind the scenes” so much as baked into the rules of the system. Economic power rules all. And those who pursue power or money without regard for anything else are statistically the most likely to achieve it.

    • EnderMB@lemmy.world
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      9 months ago

      So, if the rules are crooked, but the public largely supports these rules…you’re getting the politicians you deserve.

      It’s not a criticism of you or your views, more the views of wider society that don’t align with your own. It’s a similar story in many countries, and ultimately your choice is a reflection on your country.

      “You get the politicians you deserve” is a common/famous saying that applies to many countries everywhere. It explains why the UK voted for Brexit, it explains how Donald Trump rose to power, and it explains how someone like Biden won the nomination to become the next president. You might not like it, but it often accurately reflects your society as a whole, so it shows how divided society is.

      • LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee
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        9 months ago

        But all of that is ignoring the power imbalance. There is very sophisticated techniques being used to control what people hear, think and say. And that technology or science is getting better every day. And that power is overwhelmingly in the hands of those who have lots of money or “economic power”. They can hire the smartest sociopaths.

        While most people are too busy living their lives and are less interested in devoting their whole live to acquiring or keeping power. Or they belong to the unfortunate 50% of people who are less than average in mental capability. They are the easiest to manipulate.

        There are certain flaws in how we see our society and how you represent it. And your explanation doesn’t explain any of that. It HIDES those explanation and redirects focus away from the actual causes.

        We as a civilization have parasitic elements and can manipulate by exploiting emotions or weaknesses or disadvantages. Saying we deserve that abuse is like saying someone deserves to be robbed because they were too weak to fight back. Few people want to live in a world like that.