There is a long rich tradition of underage children dying in meat processing plants.
Yeah, we need better child labor laws and meat processing plant regulations, and those keep being overturned.
While the easy concept of “what if no meat industry” is easy to imagine, and I am for it, it’s not realistic and would simply move the industry to a 3rd world country and transfer through there. Why don’t vegans ever consider a 90% approach: if you get people to consume something that is 90% not meat, that’s the equivalent getting 90% of the group vegetarian. Then it’s an easier sell for vegetarianism, and as we develop lab meats, less must replaced.
Also, jw, would you be willing to eat human meat if they consented before hand and were disease free. I have a 93% yes rate, and I usually ask friends of friends when I meet them.
It would still require animals that have been genetically engineered to produce as much mass as quickly as possible to exist. Less suffering is good, but the real goal is to end this cruel and unnecessary system.
And it’s a noble goal, but it’s also one that many (not by any means all) think could easily happen overnight as if adopting a vegan lifestyle were as easy and unproblematic as it gets. Humanity has been eating meat as a significant portion of our diet since long before homo sapiens evolved. Getting people to suddenly stop en masse is just not going to happen. You’re fighting thousands of years of culture and genetics.
Weaning people off of meat is far more likely to work. Yes, it means more animal suffering in the mean time. But the fewer people you can convince to eat less meat, the more animals will be slaughtered.
Personally im pretty far. I eat far less meat than i used to growing up. I no longer eat veal, nor is meat the staple of my each and every meal. There are many many dishes i now make that do not feature meat at all. My meat intake is probably less than 50% of what it once was. For my SO, the change is less dramatic, but also noticeable.
For me, i noticed that simply the conscious effort to decrease how much meat i consume was an easy effort to expend, and it soon turned into a game id be playing with myself, trying to see where i can limit or cut out animal byproducts.
Yeah, we need better child labor laws and meat processing plant regulations, and those keep being overturned.
While the easy concept of “what if no meat industry” is easy to imagine, and I am for it, it’s not realistic and would simply move the industry to a 3rd world country and transfer through there. Why don’t vegans ever consider a 90% approach: if you get people to consume something that is 90% not meat, that’s the equivalent getting 90% of the group vegetarian. Then it’s an easier sell for vegetarianism, and as we develop lab meats, less must replaced.
Also, jw, would you be willing to eat human meat if they consented before hand and were disease free. I have a 93% yes rate, and I usually ask friends of friends when I meet them.
It would still require animals that have been genetically engineered to produce as much mass as quickly as possible to exist. Less suffering is good, but the real goal is to end this cruel and unnecessary system.
And it’s a noble goal, but it’s also one that many (not by any means all) think could easily happen overnight as if adopting a vegan lifestyle were as easy and unproblematic as it gets. Humanity has been eating meat as a significant portion of our diet since long before homo sapiens evolved. Getting people to suddenly stop en masse is just not going to happen. You’re fighting thousands of years of culture and genetics.
Weaning people off of meat is far more likely to work. Yes, it means more animal suffering in the mean time. But the fewer people you can convince to eat less meat, the more animals will be slaughtered.
How far along are you? I wish you the best on your journey.
Personally im pretty far. I eat far less meat than i used to growing up. I no longer eat veal, nor is meat the staple of my each and every meal. There are many many dishes i now make that do not feature meat at all. My meat intake is probably less than 50% of what it once was. For my SO, the change is less dramatic, but also noticeable.
For me, i noticed that simply the conscious effort to decrease how much meat i consume was an easy effort to expend, and it soon turned into a game id be playing with myself, trying to see where i can limit or cut out animal byproducts.
I don’t eat meat, but I do have dairy and eggs and shellfish. It’s as good as I can do for now.