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This is an article about the online communities of people who abstain from masturbation. It discusses the reasons people join these communities and the potential harms and benefits. Some people find these communities helpful in overcoming pornography addiction. However, there is concern that these communities spread inaccurate information and may overlap with extremist groups.
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“Nothing scares me. Nothing hurts me anymore,” a young YouTuber tells the camera as snowflakes cut across the frame. He is shirtless in a Michigan January, he tells viewers, to make a point about embracing discomfort in order to become a great, powerful man.
The YouTuber, who goes by the handle iamLucid, tells the camera he can stand the below-freezing temperature because he has been taking cold showers every day and, crucially, hasn’t masturbated to pornography in a year.
“That’s the most beta thing you can do. That’s the weakest thing any man can do,” he says.
Like the idiot fucking Boomers before them, these people are preaching putting up with the bullshit you’re abused with as being “strong.”
Good job being an effective slave you fucking idiot. Good slaves think they’re strong because the abuse they suffer doesn’t bother them.
Yeah, working forty years for the same motherfucker who keeps paying you less year after year while paying himself more really shows how “tough” you fucking idiots are.
“I don’t cry when my daddy abuses me,” isn’t the fucking flex you think it is, guys. It means you’re broken, not strong. People who punch dad in the fucking nose and get his abusive ass arrested are strong. People who put up with abuse are weak and broken.
Good to see young men are just as fucking stupid as their forebears. /s
Young Men: “Everyone assumes we’re all terrible just because we’re men, we’re not given a chance!”
Also Young Men: Immediately embrace fucking backwards ass thinking that really justifies the assumption that they’re all fucking terrible by default.
If they’re trying to prove otherwise, they’re fucking failing because they are god damned idiots obsessed with cro-magnon strength like that matters in the modern world.
People who put up with abuse are weak and broken
A hearty and genuine go fuck yourself you moronic piece of shit. Abuse happens in all diff forms and all the responses to it (fight, flight, freeze, fawn) are involuntary.
This is an excellent comment.
Thanks, it’s really just me ranting into the void. They can’t all be zingers.
“I don’t cry when my daddy abuses me,” isn’t the fucking flex you think it is, guys. It means you’re broken, not strong. People who punch dad in the fucking nose and get his abusive ass arrested are strong. People who put up with abuse are weak and broken.
This part reminded me of the Behind the Basters episodes on Henry Kissinger. He would routinely get beat up by Nazi kids when he was still in Germany, but once he was an adult he would brag about how it never really bothered him.
We saw how that worked out.
Great comment.
A few things though, some folks enjoy the cold, and cold immersion, and that’s fine. There are some studies that in some people there can be some benefits. Great.
Also, strength can be very … Empowering. And some folks have legitimate lifestyles where being strong is a major benefit. Great. Seeking to be strong does not make one “cro magnon” in motivation.
But things like strength/fitness are made in the gym, and in the kitchen. Not in some odd biohack.
Ultimately, the user’s habits don’t seem like they’re hurting anyone (unless there is context not shared in the quote.) And if so, good for them. Whatever placebo makes them feel confident/happy, good for them. There’s people out there rubbing crystals and imbibing in essential oils lol. Issues only arise if they hurt or discredit others, which, the quote suggests, this user somewhat does. (Shaming those who masturbate).
Resiliency is incredibly valuable, and being in and working through tough situations is the greatest teacher for it. E.g. “I’ve dealt with worse, this is nothing.”
But there are definitely healthy and unhealthy ways to gain resiliency. Those tough situations should be a net positive experience, and a something gradually worked up to in a way that doesn’t cause physical/mental harm to one’s self – always in pursuit of something worthwhile.
Fucked up shit pushed by insecure weirdos on the internet is none of those things.
I think we are aligned?
Ultimately, the user’s habits don’t seem like they’re hurting anyone
You are ignoring the OP article which makes it very clear that this movement definitely hurts someone, since it is ideologically linked to the far right, and is a huge right wing pipeline, literally being the cause of hatred and bigotry (at best).
Read literally a few sentences later. And use some critical thinking.
The HABITS don’t hurt anyone.
The BEHAVIOR/SOCIAL CONTEXT is.
If the dude doesn’t want to jack off, so be it. No problem. If the dude shames others , that’s an issue.
There’s gonna be a really weird uptick in prostate cancer in 30-40 years.
At least most of them will be far-right.
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You’re one of the people spreading pseudoscience this article is talking about
The psuedoscience is you trying to justify your porn addiction
You are aware, that masturbation without porn is possible, right?
Got any research you can share?
Yeah I thought it was always the more the merrier, from other articles posted
If they respond it will be with a YouTube link to some crackpot
Well. Realistically it’s always generating getting rid of and regenerating sperm. Ejaculate material doesn’t stay good and is passed in the urine normally. Not saying that being completely drained 24/7 couldn’t be stressful to the organ though
Source
Prostate generates precum, not cum. And precum does not consist of cells. So, please, clarify, what exactly do you mean.
No Fap is literally the dumbest thing to ever exist.
“I have seen claims on social media saying that semen retention can boost your testosterone levels, cure erectile dysfunction, make you more manly, make you stronger, cure depression, make you more successful, clear your skin,” says Ashley Winter, a urologist who has been publicly critical of nofap ideas.
“And there is no medical evidence that it does any of those things,” she says, adding that in many male adults, abstaining from ejaculation will merely result in “nocturnal emissions,” or wet dreams.
Why would your body respond to a perceived glut of mating (your body cannot tell the difference between intercourse and masturbation) with erectile disfunction? That would be a negative response spiral that would ensure extinction. It’s actually the other way around: if functions of your body aren’t getting used, they get cannibalized to save energy. This is why people with penises get erections at night: your body is ensuring it still works. Same reason why nocturnal emissions happen. Your body will ensure you can successfully mate even if you aren’t mating on a regular basis.
Your body absolutely reacts differently to sex than masturbation. I’m not defending this idiotic no nut stuff but there’s no need to state misinformation.
They must be relating it to refractory period somehow…
(Not agreeing with their conclusion, trying to imagine what they are “observing”)
wait so I can commit to not working out so hard that I actually cannibalize my body fat? Pog
It would cannibalize your muscle, it’s called atrophy
Only if you also commit to not exercising your mouth.
So… No blowjobs then?
It’s like literally one of the most basic functions of the human body…
A national poll conducted in late 2022 found that 4 out of 10 Americans believe society has become too “soft and feminine.” Former Fox News host Tucker Carlson did a special for Fox in 2022 called The End of Men, drawing attention to “the decline of manhood, of virility, of physical health, all of which together threaten to doom our civilization.”
Well that’s fucking depressing but lines up with the MAGA banner comprised of the insecure and ignorant.
Wonder what society of manliness they want to go back to… Lynchings? The dark ages?
Tunker Carlston: MEN ARE GETTING TOO SENSITIVE.
(Tunker sees a rainbow flag and starts to rage)
Sounds about right since homophobia is at the heart of both.
Tucker is one of the last people I would take advice from on, well anything, but masculinity in this case.
You can actually be a manly man without being complete arse. I understand some of the backlash against feminism. Boys are struggling in our school systems. Title 9 is actually used to admit more young men to colleges now, for decades now actually.
I can even understand the popularity of some of the pick up artists who are popular among men who are not quite the “ladies man”. Better yourself, find things that help make you a better person. Get a hobby, work out. Make yourself interesting.
But these right wing pundits are fucking crazy.
I don’t like the term toxic masculinity (edit: if you are trying to better yourself and you say I don’t want to espouse toxic masculinity, I see that as useful (What i mean is that trying to apply it to anyone who offends or upsets you can be problematic.) other than as an idea discussed among academia, but god damn these asshats.
If it helps, there’s a noticeable trend recently - except it’s not just recently and probably hearkens all the way back prior to the dawn of the human species - where people do not mean what they say. I mean… I am being genuine here!:-)
It highly correlates, though is not exclusive to, people being as dumb as a bag of rocks.
e.g. Jesus commands “Love everyone - especially those you do not agree with”, and thousands of years prior the Old Testament said things like “the worker deserves their wages” (as well as tiny little details about tassels and the hems of robes and shit like that), hence Karens (male & female alike) ignore all the stuff they want to, while twisting the meaning of whatever they can get their hands on of that to kill people with (taking a handful of words in isolation, discarding the context, often not even finishing the entire fucking sentence - e.g. “there is now therefore no condemnation, for those that walk according to his path” an important if highly inconvenient, for them, part!). For goodness’ sake, the Old Testament literally prescribes a formula for “bitter herbs” to cause an abortion!
And the people that showed up on January 6? Hint, they weren’t “patriots”.
So if we use the definitions of an idiot, we are going to come away with a ah … “skewed perspective” of said thing - often 180 degrees in opposition to what it was supposed to mean. Hence, I am totally okay with the term “toxic masculinity”, defined in the Oxford Dictionary as:
a set of attitudes and ways of behaving stereotypically associated with or expected of men, regarded as having a negative impact on men and on society as a whole.
And if asshats are misusing it, even abusing it lately? Well, they suck, so why would I give one second’s thought to what they want? :-D
I hope that perspective helps, or at least is interesting.
I am not sufficiently qualified to comment on this particular sociocultural trends nor can I give medical recommendations. However, some may want to inform themselves by evaluating the current status of relevant research. A number of studies have found that greater ejaculation frequency is associated with a reduced risk of prostate cancer.
One such research in question :
I think it’s more the psychology of the nofap group themselves that’s hurtful. I’ve seen many/most discussions that are fine, but others are just wildly toxic with a cult-like “discipline”.
You’re either with us or against us.
Us vs. the system/females/people in power.
You’re better than others. Or, if you trip up, you’re garbage.
There’s no in-between and no room for mistakes.
That’s not good for you in the long run and it’ll hurt more than it helps.
I was referred to a Huberman YT about sleep. What immediately happened to my feed was astounding and an obvious onramp to toxic masculinity. Jordan Peterson, Joe Rogan, DISCIPLINE, Optimize this and that, Alphas do this, sigmas fail because… And it’s still sorting itself out months later;×I use down votes, not interested and all of that.
YT makes it easy for people to end up in places they shouldn’t. But I’m sure there are a lot of views along the way.
That said, balance, discretion and never turning I to a creep who can’t not objectify… Those are traits we should all maintain.
It’s profitable. The AI algorithm knows that many people will comment angrily or start looking for more info. It probably even tracks if you clicked the “not interested” button angrily or truly just disinterested :D
You do not maturbate because you want to boost your tostersone.
I do not masturbate because I am clinically depressed and can’t stay awake long enough.
straightens tie
We are not the same
Not ejaculating is also linked to higher testosterone. Many fighters do intentionally not have sex or masyurbate masturbate a few days before their fights.
I think I’ve read that’s only a very temporary decrease immediately after ejaculation, it’s a tough thing to measure over time since you have to draw blood each time. Sports are full of psuedo science and myths.
MISINFORMATION… on the INTERNET… REALLY!? !? !?! /s :-P
There is no misinformation on the internet and you can quote me on that.
A-a-are you sure you are okay with people knowing that we funded terrorism together? /s :-P
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People like to complain about boomers, but let’s be real here: are the zoomers that much better?
Are you comparing abstaining from masturbation to expediting the destruction of the planet, economy, etc…?
Yes. They’re exactly the same.
Totally agreed. I just wanted to be sure we were on the same page.
Username checks out.
Yes, because as the OP article makes clear the nofap movement is a right wing pipeline, so people embracing the one will eventually also embrace the other.
It’s a minority of young men not a majority. And Gen Z women are more progressive than any other generation by some margin.
Here’s some numbers:
In conclusion, gen z are quite clearly the worst and should get off my lawn.
It looks like you picked one example from every link you posted that supported your view, while ignoring all of the other examples where Gen Z are leading or equal to Millenials in terms of progressiveness.
Ok, zoomer.
A lot of the people in the article are Gen X and Millennials.
Wankers. The lot of them.
Non-wankers, in fact.
Ironically, people who wank are usually less of a wanker than people who spend all day talking about not wanking.
Boomers, zoomers and coomers
What’s wrong with people wanting to quit masturbation?
If only there was an article linked explaining the issue.
Since I’m sure there will be others who don’t bother to read:
Nofap communities tend to have a large overlap with extremist hate communities, and are often used to spread harmful and misleading rhetoric.
There’s also no observable benefit to not masturbating. The proponents portray it as some scientifically proven secret, but it’s the same scam as homeopathy and Gweneth Paltrow’s vagina eggs. Big, vague, impossible to disprove health claims supported by anecdote after anecdote.
Did you finish the article before asking this?
Yes, I did. It tells nothing about why quitting it is bad, and just uses the argument “people spread misinformation”.
Guess what? The internet’s filled to the brim with misinformation.
“Spokespeople of online forums like NoFap, for example, have been very concerned with distancing themselves from anything having to do with extremism,” says Burke. “Alt-right, neo-Nazi, white supremacist, antisemitic — they are very clear to say we are not that. But they’re not willing to recognize what I think is just an empirical reality, which is that some people who buy into porn addiction rhetoric also buy into these more extremist beliefs.”
dumbest fucking thing I’ve ever read. What? Guys are trying to masturbate less? It’s probably because they’re NAZIS
. What? Guys are trying to masturbate less? It’s probably because they’re NAZIS
Holy shit, this isn’t even remote close to what you just quoted actually said.
It does if you read between the lines, because it came off exactly like that to me as well while reading it.
You’re not “reading between the lines” you’re just making shit up to confirm what you want to believe is true. It doesn’t even remotely say this, they’re saying that they think it’s being co-opted by these right wing groups, and they don’t want that to happen.
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