How Russia became far right? - eviltoast

Over 100 years ago, Russia became core of USSR and the pioneer of international struggle for workers’ liberation, poverty lifting, enlightenment, scientific progress and propagation of socialism and communism.

Now – in my humble and maybe biased by liberal propaganda view – Russia is one of the most reactionary, conservative, backward-looking, clerical country. Please excuse me posting some liberal, imperialist shit here, but seems that Kremlin officially admits going far-right: https://www.wilsoncenter.org/blog-post/kremlin-finally-puts-together-ideology

Speaking locally, there seems to be evidence that Polish far-right party PiS (Law and Justice) is backed by Kremlin as well as the extremely influential priest, Tadeusz Rydzyk, founder and director of the ultra-catholic, conservative Radio Maryja station has/had ties with Polish and Russian security services before the end of People’s Republic of Poland and USSR (sic!). I have some generally available videos, but in Polish, sadly.

Could you tell me how far this is true? If so, what purpose had the late communist states and today’s Russia in spreading far-right propaganda? WTF went wrong?

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    One thing is certainly not true, namely the allegation that PiS is “backed by the Kremlin”. Up until the last election Poland was governed by the PiS party and from the very beginning of the conflict in Ukraine they were one of the biggest supporters of Ukraine in Europe. Without Poland acting as a weapons delivery hub to Ukraine, NATO could never have sustained their Nazi proxy army. PiS pursued an extremely anti-Russia policy, which is not surprising as some of its highest ranking members are personally deeply russophobic.

    So you cannot make this blanket statement that Russia backs the European far right, in fact some of the far right parties in eastern Europe are very anti-Russia. Now maybe the situation is reversed in western Europe but so far we have only seen one of them come to power, namely in Italy, and it turned out they were just as pro-NATO and anti-Russia as the liberals.

    The situation with Russia is a lot more complicated than the liberal western media makes it seem. There is only one word which fully encapsulates the mess that is today’s Russia and that is: contractions. There are a lot of contradictions in Russia’s culture, its economic system, its government, etc. It has very pronounced reactionary elements, which you have mentioned and which other comrades have explained quite well, but it also has remnants of the old Soviet culture and system.

    Because just as Marx said socialist societies would be imprinted for a while with characteristics of the old bourgeois society, so a bourgeois society that is built on the destruction of socialism will retain some imprints. The peculiar thing in Russia’s case as opposed to other eastern European former socialist states which have liberalized more thoroughly, in Russia restoration of the bourgeois system was never fully completed, and in my opinion cannot be completed under present circumstances even though the liberals (including Putin) who have ruled Russia since the 1990s have tried very hard to do so.

    Russia is stuck for now in a sort of limbo of an unfinished counter-revolution, partly because of the internal dynamics of Russian society itself and partly due to the renewed hostility of the West toward Russia since around 2008 which has frozen the liberalization process.

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      Russia is stuck for now in a sort of limbo of an unfinished counter-revolution, partly because of the internal dynamics of Russian society itself and partly due to the renewed hostility of the West toward Russia since around 2008 which has frozen the liberalization process.

      It looks like this, I am just afraid that when the times will go hard, then Russia will turn fully into nationalism, chauvinism, etc.

      One thing is certainly not true, namely the allegation that PiS is “backed by the Kremlin”. Up until the last election Poland was governed by the PiS party and from the very beginning of the conflict in Ukraine they were one of the biggest supporters of Ukraine in Europe. highest ranking members are personally deeply russophobic.

      Superficially, it seems like this. But I am somewhat suspicious. The government of PiS seemed extremely russophobic (what spy says he likes the country of the employer?) but still they imported enormous amount of fuels from Russia, e.g.: https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/news/polish-senator-russian-coal-still-flowing-into-poland/ Undoubtedly, the support for Ukraine was enormous, but at some point abruptly stopped. Maybe they were pushed by US at some point to support or they wanted to balance between these two powers, like Orban. When they sold Lotos, a big oil company, they bought petrol stations in Hungary, and the stations were literally Lukoil, and they use Russian oil to be sold there. They are also other circumstantial evidences of ties between Russia and PiS: https://www.veridica.ro/en/acf/the-russian-connection-in-poland

      Like you said, all this matter is nuanced, and additionally obscured by propaganda from all sides. I just feel confused, so oversimplifications are possible.

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        The government of PiS seemed extremely russophobic (what spy says he likes the country of the employer?) but still they imported enormous amount of fuels from Russia

        The same could be said of any Euro country, the only difference being that unlike the Germans and other “better” Europeans who fully toed the anti-Russia line (and then knowingly bought their Russian fuels through middlemen like India) Poland acted with some sense of reality and business sense, because they weren’t fully economically suicidal.

        The whole “Russia is to blame for all right-wing politics in the west” nonsense is absolutely, 100% tired and at least 99% stinking horseshit if you ask me. Whatever contribution Russia has given is just a drop of water the ocean compared to the already historically massive, well-funded, and deeply engaged right-wing political movements of the US and other Anglophone nations, of western and southern Europe, and of eastern Europe (much of whose right-wing parties are vehemently Russophobic in ways nearing the derangement of Ukraine). And similarly, it is but a drop of water in the ocean compared to the US’ meddling to promote these ideologies, both in recent years, and for many decades prior, and even well before the Soviets collapsed.

        Does Russia have fun pouring a little fuel on the fire in the west? Probably (mainly in the recent decade if so), but the impact is miniscule compared to what already existed, and compared to the extensive and interconnected support, by various different western countries, NGOs, and corporations (many of them even liberals- for instance, Victor Orban is literally one of the graduates of a Soros scholarship), to cook up the most repugnant chuds. That hardly makes them an “international exporter of fascism” or anything (I’d argue they’re the opposite by and large, though that is more due to circumstance than anything else) and- while I don’t quite condone it, I can hardly blame them for doing so, for shits and giggles if nothing else- one lone Russian amidst a sea of western participants at the NRA, or mingling with the GOP, PiS, AFD, or what-have-you, and you have liberal tantrums and accusations aplenty, hell, even if Russia did nothing, the accusation of “Russian interference” (and Chinese) would be paraded around as part of the western “liberal/so-called-left’s” series of increasingly deranged reichstag fires.

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          Well, I admit that – for example – the far-right propaganda of Radio Maryja in Poland, backed by Russia or not, fall in a fertile ground – racism, antisemitism, clericalism were there since a long time before. One thing that I am «angry» on the People’s Republic of Poland is that they not eradicate religion and clericalism from Poland, as did the communist government in Czechoslovakia.