The Party of Christian Values - eviltoast
  • jan teli@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    He was quite clear that his way was the only way to heaven

    He said ‭‭"I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." (John‬ ‭14:6)

    and what’s more just saying you followed him wasn’t enough

    This is what the parable of the sheep and the goats(what the original post was based on) is about.

    You can’t be tolerant of other views when you are telling people that the holders of other views are going to burn in hell

    Hell isn’t a place where people are eternally tortured by Satan-- it’s an event, it hasn’t happened yet, and it’ll be originally prepared for Satan and the demons. The idea of humans having immortal souls comes from greek philosophy and is not Biblical. Any humans that go to hell (the lake of fire) will die (I’m not quite sure about the Demons, I’ll have to do more research). Heaven isn’t just about living forever, it’s also about being with God forever, and if you want to be with Him forever, why wouldn’t you eant to be with Him now? I think the lake of fire (I’m calling it that because the word “hell” has a lot of unhelpful connotations to it) might just be the absence of God. Keep in mind that this is from Revelation which uses a lot of metaphors and prophetic imagery.

    He was quite clear that you couldn’t follow him and have a good relationship with people who didn’t.

    That’s not what He said: He said that He needs to be at the centre of our lives. That certainly doesn’t mean that we can’t have good relationships with others, both believers and non-believers. ‭"We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ’s behalf: Be reconciled to God." (2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:20).

    That outsiders would hate you and you would hate them.

    He didn’t say that non-believers and believers should hate each other, He said that His teaching would be controversal and decisive-- “‭‭Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.” (Matthew‬ ‭10:34‬ ). Of course He will bring peace when He returns and His teachings encourage peace (although it isn’t presented as being the most important thing), but throughout history His teachings have been very controversal.

    That the very family unit was a snare to keep you away from him

    I’m not quite sure which verses you’re talking about here, but I can think of two: Matthew 10:35-36 and Luke 14:26. The first one is the continuation of when He says that He came to bring a sword and He is still talking about how His teachings would ve controversial and decisive. In the second one He doesn’t mean to literally hate, He means it comparitively. He’s talking again about how He should be at the centre of our lives and our most important thing.

    Then he told his followers of the time of his wrath was coming where he would torture those who opposed him

    I talked about this in my response to the bit about tolerance

    his followers would go around murdering many tossing the bodies at his feet.

    I don’t remember reading about this. Could you tell me where it’s found?