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The Republicans have been playing by the nazi playbook for a long time now.
Nazis didn’t start with the Jews. They knew they couldn’t get away with rounding up an entire ethnic group. They started with the LGBTQ community. They dehumanized lgbtq people in the eyes of the public and made it seem like they were doing it for the good of a pure and powerful Germany. When that worked they realized how easy it was to dehumanize an entire population in the eyes of the public and used the same tactics against Jews, Roma etc.
When you think about it the lgbtq community is the first line of defence protecting democracy because they are the most vulnerable and easiest to demonize. Once it’s ok to eradicate one group of people it becomes so much easier to do the same to larger groups.
It won’t stop at lgbtq people, they will keep eradicating every minority until they’re actually stopped by force. So far they’ve gone after trans people, gay marriage, women’s reproductive rights and have even talked about overturning Loving vs Virginia. Their goal is a straight, white, “Christian” male utopia.
Not just the LGBT+ community, the trans community in specific.
https://forward.com/culture/549587/trans-book-burning-library-gay-pride/
Might be obvious, but just to underscore it - if a conservative ever starts spouting nonsense about how “there wasn’t no transgenders when we was kids” - yes there were, they just didn’t know, and things like this are why
Also, just to put this research in some historical perspective - when this institute first opened its doors, we hadn’t figured out insulin yet and the best treatment doctors had for diabetics was restrictive diets that ended up starving patients to death as often as not. Like, if those research institutes has gotten firebombed repeatedly over the years, a lot more of society would probably find the notion of people who can’t eat sugar strange.
Might be obvious, but just to underscore it - if a conservative ever starts spouting nonsense about how “there wasn’t no transgenders when we was kids” - yes there were, they just didn’t know, and things like this are why
Many early 20th-century British and North American educators and physicians, albeit with a “scientific” rationale, insisted children should be made to write using their right hands. The methods used to obtain this result were often tortuous, including tying a resistant child’s left hand to immobilise it. Typical of the reasoning to justify such practices is a 1924 letter to the British Medical Journal endorsing “retraining” of left-handers to write with their right hands, because otherwise the left-handed child would risk “[old word we don’t use anymore] in mental development; in some cases…actual [old word]”. As late as 1946 the former chief psychiatrist of the New York City Board of Education, Abram Blau, warned that, unless retrained, left-handed children risked severe developmental and learning disabilities and insisted that “children should be encouraged in their early years to adopt dextrality…in order to become better equipped to live in our right-sided world”.
“children should be encouraged in their early years to adopt dextrality…in order to become better equipped to live in our right-sided world”.
I hate the obvious parallels here.
The saddest part is this trick has been working on humans for thousands of years. Is the issue the types who spin things this way, or the rest of us who fall for it? Seems like a human tragic flaw.
I’m starting to believe that human nature just always tends toward fascist tendencies. It’s a constant battle against this shit, and it’s exhausting. Then every ~100 years or so, the people who fought against it last die out, and everyone forgets what fascism does to a nation and the cycle repeats.
I’m tired.
Studies of authoritarian personalities (specifically, authoritarian followers: the kind who show up to Trump’s rallies to cheer, not Trump himself) show that there is probably a genetic component to this and dealing with these people is probably always going to be a struggle for humanity.
However: it’s probably more that the tendency is genetic. Exposure to novelty and life experience (or generally: lack of those things) are big factors in terms of someone actually adopting these ideas
Unfortunately it’s not a field that gets a huge amount of study.
Human lifespans are short and most humans need to learn lessons firsthand. I wouldn’t be surprised if this is a cyclical pattern for humanity. Hell, the Roman Republic was founded by a hard working group of people that wanted to escape the tyranny of the Etruscan kings that dominated the region. And Rome was hijacked by a tyranical emperor in the end, leading to a slow decline over the years.
the poem starts “first they came for the communists”
LGBT and communists were attacked at around the same time based on my knowledge of events, but is it really a surprise that the LGBT would be excluded from recognition based on the dominate cultures of the time?
It depends on how you count.
Germany went through a Communist revolution immediately after (and a little bit during) WW1. The Communists won and took over Germany, getting rid of the monarchy. The far right in Germany went fucking wild with rage, a level of anger that really has no parallel in the modern US, and “cleansed” Germany. The Weimar Republic was formed roughly in the wake of that.
But that wasn’t the Nazis, though many of the people involved in that did go on to become Nazis.
The Nazis did sorta go after queer, and specifically transgender, people first. (And “degenerate art”!)
The Weimar Republic, for its many, many, many faults (seriously here it’s hard to overstate) did grow out of a Communist revolution even if it betrayed that revolution. They were actually issuing permits for people to live their lives as a different gender, similar to our modern conception of getting your paperwork changed in the US. One of the first things the Nazis did when they took over was to strike those permits down. (Or simply prosecute the people who held them. Or simply straight up murder them.)
is it really a surprise that the LGBT would be excluded from recognition based on the dominate cultures of the time?
I don’t know what this is supposed to mean
The poem in question was by Martin Niemöller, who was a Lutheran pastor. It’s not surprising that he’d write LGBTQ+ people out.
Do you think Pastor Neimoller would have a problem with them coming for the trans people?
he didn’t have a problem with any of it.
I mean when he wrote the poem.
say what you want. your guessing game is boring.
What?
if you have something to say, say it. I don’t care for your interrogative style.
Pretty sick isn’t it? Especially when you consider in their straight white Christian male utopia they will still be the underclass to the 1% of people who control more than half of the world’s wealth. So you kill a bunch of innocent people and your still a poor racist scumbag piece of shit. Nice.
Their goal is power.
Being Christian, white, straight, and/or male is just a means to an end.
If they have to collectively suck the cocks of a bunch of gay guys if it will give them power, they’ll do it and then execute them saying they were tricked.
I’m sure they would suck dick voluntarily.
they might even go for left handed people!
i’m left handed! fuck!
And here we are watching a spike in Antisemitism and a push for laws that strip trans people of their ability to lead their lives.
History repeats itself, we’ve just become too stupid to read the history books and get our information from tik tok now.
and yet people will still say both sides are the same
For most things, yes. This is absolutely not one of them.
Yeah the Republicans want to drag me out into the street, murder me, and then drag my corpse through the town behind their Dodge Ram 1500 or Ford F150.
Democrats don’t like that and would prefer Republicans not do it, but most of them won’t do anything to stop it as long as they’re not forced to watch it happen and can pretend it’s not happening.
A real, but grotesque, difference.
Democrats don’t like that and would prefer Republicans not do it, but most of them won’t do anything to stop it as long as they’re not forced to watch it happen and can pretend it’s not happening.
That doesn’t sound like the Democrats I know! They would post a comment on social media about how sad they are about it and then say “vote blue, no matter who!” before defending some softer form of transphobia as a middle ground.
Kick rocks, that’s false.
Whoa hell no, I’d stop the fuck outta that, at step 1. Who the fuck are you??
E: downvotes because you’re afraid to help? Aight then.
There are a lot of people who like saying pretty things when their name is visible but when it comes to the anonymous vote they will not vote the same way. This goes down both sides of the aisle, but people don’t stand back and take an objective view of their parties and what their mouthpieces actually stand for.
There’s not much that can really be done about liars hiding behind anonymity. But there are a bunch of us who truly want to help others succeed, more than there are malicious liars.
The dark ages could have continued forever… But they didn’t, because humans like building societies, whether simple or complex.
lol
Transfolks: Be sure to get your passport squared away. Just in case we gotta jump ship.
Apply for visas now. Pack your bug out bag and be ready to drive to Mexico on a moments notice. Better 10 years too early than a day too late
I can’t believe we’re at this point, but yes. I’m close ish to the Canadian border and I’m a homeowner making good money but the minute I can’t get hormones I’m gone. Never thought I’d have to live with this kind of anxiety in the US.
Keep in mind Mexico has far laxer border security especially if crossing by land (they didn’t even check my passport). So don’t get discouraged if Canada turns you away, though there is a slight language barrier with Mexico (nothing translator apps can’t handle, and a lot of the words are the same due to the etymology)
Personality I’m already out bc I figure the US is just going to gradually get worse and I’d much rather apply for a visa than asylum
people should look into expats as well as that is a good place to start
Fascism always needs a group to blame. Everything has to be someone else’s fault.
Yep. And we are just as much of people as everyone else. Our elimination won’t be bloodless. And once they get a taste for blood they won’t stop and they’ll be harder to stop since their political violence is now established
It’s LGBT now, hispanics later, black people much later, then probably just Democrats in general.
Anyone who isn’t white, Christian, and Republican isn’t welcome. And if you’re not a man, you’re not in control.
Hope they like laser induced permanent blindness.
“i sTILl not goNna vOtE” average disillusioned leftie
“I don’t like Trump, but Biden just doesn’t excite me…”
Them: “If people considered a third party candidate, this wouldn’t be happening!”
Me: “Name the candidate that has a reasonable chance of beating both Trump and Biden.”
Them: “…”
Except once. I had one person argue with me, seriously argue with me, that Cornel West could win the presidency because all kinds of strange things happen in the universe and you can’t prove he won’t!
It’s almost like… there’s a reason these 3rd party candidates aren’t making it onto the big party tickets.
It’s called the electoral college.
Well, no. The Electoral College has its own list of problems, but keeping 3rd parties out of power is not one of them.
There’s two main reasons we don’t have any serious third party candidates:
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We have a first-past-the-post system, which mathematically results in a two-party system, and
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no serious politician runs as a third party candidate, because any serious politician understands how our election system works.
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and you guys are why this keeps happening.
“We need to compromise with those people who want to kill you. They’re not so bad you know, one of them invited me over for dinner last weekend and his wife said the funniest thing, you’d like her.” - average moderate
gEnOcIDe JoE
Except Trump will be 1000x worse with respect to Israel. And not voting for Biden might as well be a vote for Trump.
To all the upvoters: Average disillusioned leftie here.
Saying “I won’t support Biden in the primary.” is not the same as "i sTILl not goNna vOtE”.
I do not want ANY GOP to win any power, ever, anywhere.
We were saved by the young vote in the midterms and Biden has almost entirely lost those voters. Like it or not Biden is deeply unpopular. And I believe Biden would likely lose to Trump.
So how is pleading for a candidate from the DNC who stands a better chance at winning against the GOP an irrational position?
Please reexamine your politics - I am not your enemy.
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most of those people aren’t even lefties; they’re just bots or cis white men on twitter
Yup. I agreed with the last 20 publications who tried to raise the alarm too.
And next, the left-handed.
Damn it, and I thought I’d survive because I’m cis…
Quick cut off your left hand while there is still time
But I already cut off my right hand like Jesus told me to!
You’re just to sinister
And not at all dextrous.
It’s a serious point though: no one can be safe under fascism. You may think you tick enough of the boxes to stay out of immediate danger while they attack someone else, but their hatred is capricious and could turn your way at any moment.
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Reported as a call to violence for “lets get rid of Republicans” and “need to be wiped out.”
To be clear, I do believe that we would be better if the party were disbanded and quite a lot of them rounded up RICO style, but “wiping them out” is perilously close to THEIR langage.
Article misspelled ‘anyone that’s not like them’.
The GOP wants to be the demons of their fanciful hell who administer your “eternal punishment”
Anti-Trans bills in the US. I found a website that tracks Anti-trans bills, giving a breakdown of how many are active, passed, and failed this year so far.
I’m not sure Mike Dewine is the best face for the top photo in this article. Sure he’s a Republican governor in a state dominated by a Republican legislature that just passed a large bill targeted specifically transgender youth but he also vetoed that bill stating “I continue to believe it is in the best interests of children for these medical decisions to be made by the child’s parents and not by the government”. He might have it in for the older trans community but right now he seems like he not towing the party line here.Nevermind, fuck this dude.
He turned right around and put many of the same bans in an executive order, and his veto was overturned. he’s not in any way an ally. He was just trying to look more moderate than he is. https://www.acluohio.org/en/press-releases/governor-dewines-executive-order-de-facto-ban-transgender-care
Yeah on second look seeing the new proposals for restrictions fuck him.
You can always count on DeWine to do the right thing until his party hears about it and provides mild pushback at which point he goes full mustache twirling evil.
I hate my fucking government so much. Columbus is too cool of a city to be located in this shithole of a state.
he signed another transphobic bill recently
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