“Life will have its up and downs… Unless you’re using our autopilot, then it’s just pretty much down.”
The thing is MCAS fucking used to overpower manual commands, unless you actually followed some specific procedure to disable it
Edit: And boeing didn’t think it was necessary to tell the pilots about this
Yeah, it would have been a completely horrifying and infuriating way to die, especially for the pilots who probably had a pretty good idea of what was happening but just never got told how to deal with it
Also, it just blows me away that the corporation as a whole got charged with felony fraud, fraud which caused the deaths of hundreds of people, and they still just get to be a company after saying sorry and paying a little fine. When Fuckup Beauregard III decides to rob his local gas station with an unloaded gun and the clerk dies of a heart attack (or when his accomplice Cletus gets shot and killed by a responding police officer), the felony murder rule will kick in for him and say “someone dying as a result of your felonious behavior is legally equivalent to you intentionally murdering them,” but that sort of thing just doesn’t ever happen to rich and powerful people.
This is why I refuse to fly. Just scandal and improper training and maintenance. It’s fucking dangerous.
It’s not yet more dangerous than most other modes of travel.
It’s just more dangerous than it needs to be thanks to capitalist “innovation”.
I know a (retired) guy who used to be an engineer designing commercial airliners. He, too, categorically refused to fly.
Makes ya think.
Part of it could just be the survivability. A lot of people get REALLY turned off of ideas if the result can be terrible death, even to the point of having something like a phobia of risk in general. Like some won’t ride a motorcycle even if it’s just down the street once.
Maybe it’s a phobia for me. I know, statistically, it’s the safest way to travel. But I hate having no control over my fate. Plane improperly maintained causes the flight I’m on to crash into the mountains? No thanks. I know it’s extremely irrational but it is still terrifying to me.
But people die every day in cars due to somebody else’s actions and/or poor maintenance.
Place crashes are very memorable and flashy though.
I agree. The situation is already dangerous enough without those in charge cutting corners for profit…
Wouldn’t it technically be a phobia of danger rather than risk?
No idea. They’re related words, but I would say it should be the more generic term. Danger to my mind implies a specific thing. Like spinning blades that you could accidentally touch, or a driver not watching the road. Danger is exposure to a specific risk, so it’s just a matter of opinion on how “dangerous” something like a plane is beyond the stats.
and the stats say it’s highly safe. You just might have a terrible end you’ll see coming if you lose the lottery.
They also only used data from a SINGLE sensor for a safety critical system, which is a cardinal sin in aviation. The plane already has two angle of attack sensors, you couldn’t write a few more lines of code to have it use both of them? Not only did they not do that, they even went so far as to make the alarm that warns when the sensors are mismatched a paid option. They wanted airlines to fucking pay extra for the privilege of knowing when something on their plane isn’t working properly.
wait but if there are two sensors installed even without that “safety” option isn’t it purely software “limitation” then? Are they “selling” it like heated seats on cars? (drm)
IIRC it was an “optional safety enhancement” that airlines could buy and their logic for not including it by default was “well we display the outputs of the two sensors independently don’t we? Why aren’t your pilots paying attention and crosschecking the sensor readouts on our 21st century glass cockpit airplane like this was a B-52 with needle gauges then?”
What we do know is that they argued that the errant MCAS activation from a faulty sensor was “designed to” look like a stabilizer trim runaway (when the “rear wings” you see on the tail of the airplane start moving without pilot command) and therefore claimed that a “properly trained” pilot should have been able to deal with that since they’re supposed to be trained for a trim runaway.
This is a garbage argument of course, because a trim runaway is in itself an emergency that threatens the safety of the aircraft, especially if it happens at low altitude, so why the hell should your supposed “safety” system be putting the pilots in that position to begin with? And if this wasn’t a big deal, why go out of your way to hide the fact that a new system on the aircraft can effectively cause a trim runaway? Not to mention that Boeing is essentially victim blaming the pilots that died from their profit oriented decisions by insinuating that they were poorly trained in order to take the heat off their shoddy design, going as far as to say that the pilot training in those countries were not up to “American standards,” basically “those shithole countries don’t know how to fly our glorious American planes so it’s their own fault!”
Finally, it needs to be mentioned that when Boeing had its own test pilots use a flight simulator to demonstrate what a “properly trained” pilot should be doing when MCAS misbehaves, the pilots used unconventional maneuvers that are not apart of the standard operating procedures of the 737 (i.e. not apart of pilot training). What’s more, their own pilots lost more altitude in recovering from the failure than the pilots of the accident planes even had, so wouldn’t that mean that by their own admission the accident planes were in an impossible situation, proper pilot training or not?
If they extended the logic they had about MCAS and the angle of attack sensors, the solution to all of aviation safety would be to tell the pilots to “just don’t crash the plane.” If Boeing had their way and applied the same reasoning to all aircraft systems, they would probably make TCAS, GPWS, RAAS, and the evacuation slides optional features too, since the need for all of those can also be negated by the pilot simply paying more attention to not crashing.
The Boeing Autoland feature is activating.
Please do not resist.
This is why Airbus is superior
You know because they actually have real regulations and consequences for not following proper guidelines in the EU
Also because it was made up of former WW2 engineers at the forefront of innovation including Messerschmitt lol. Boeing made big chungus prop bombers, never any jet fighters or even prop fighters. /s
Boeing big chungusHuehuehue
mmmmm
thicc
Boeing got so caught up in their military contracts for the US war machine that they forgot that some planes aren’t supposed to kill people.
What’s the sound of the doors popping off mid-flight?
“Boeing!”
When is Boeing going to have a Blowout Sale for the Max’s?
Might as well clear out some DC-10’s they have in the back while they’re at it.
‘A plane that goes up must also come down’
Imagine sitting next to the door and having to go to the bathroom.
That wouldn’t happened. You would have already peed yourself.
When Boeing closes a door, he opens a window
Boeing: opening new portals of aviation!
Too soon
For the door to blow off? I agree
I’d didn’t just blow off, it rapidly dissembled from the plane in an unscheduled emergency.
Are there scheduled emergencies?
January 19, 2038.
So I have time to prepare.
No one was seriously injured or died. I don’t see how it could be too soon.
It was a serious incident, but not a catastrophe. Joking about it seems fine.
I missed this news… What is being referenced?
A door blew out mid-flight on the same plane which crashed 2 times because of a design flaw, early investigation revealed several loose bolts
They should probably stop reassembling it and just build a new one
I see! Thank you.
toothpaste sandwich is so cursed. awesome username lol
I don’t wanna be that guy but how the actual fuck did you miss this news? It’s been talked about on repeat on literally every news avenue for the past week. Including every single social media platform including reddit and lemmy.
Wow, I feel like you worded this a bit aggressively and I’m not sure that was necessary. I hope life is treating you well, my friend.
Well, I could imagine that it’s because I don’t live in the US, and there’s a different focus of topics here? I’m sure it’s been mentioned on the news website I sometimes visit, but apparently on a day when I wasn’t looking.
I haven’t heard about this either. I don’t watch TV, I am not on social media, and I have ad block.
Maybe they’re doing news better than us, because this was like the least important thing.
You think a plane door falling off mid flight and exposing major manufacturing oversights isn’t an important topic? Interesting…
Now do cars
Car manufacturering issues is also very important. You can have two things that are important. What the actual fuck is your point here?
It’s 420 somewhere, cool off.
Car doors fly off all the time and people actually die.
It’s not really a major manufacturing oversight. It takes just two dumb fucks to do this. It’s why complacency kills in aircraft.
