Why docker - eviltoast

Hi! Question in the title.

I get that its super easy to setup. But its really worthwhile to have something that:

  • runs everything as root (not many well built images with proper useranagement it seems)
  • you cannot really know which stuff is in the images: you must trust who built it
  • lots of mess in the system (mounts, fake networks, rules…)

I always host on bare metal when I can, but sometimes (immich, I look at you!) Seems almost impossible.

I get docker in a work environment, but on self hosted? Is it really worth while? I would like to hear your opinions fellow hosters.

  • TCB13@lemmy.worldEnglish
    417·
    10 months ago

    It doesn’t really matter if there are truly open-source and open ecosystems of containerization technologies because in the end people/companies will pick the proprietary / closed option just because “it’s easier to use” or some other specific thing that will be good on the short term and very bad on the long term. This happened with CentOS vs Debian is currently unfolding with Docker vs LXC/RKT/Podman and will happen with Ubuntu vs Debian for all those who moved from CentOS to Ubuntu.

    • ericjmorey@programming.devEnglish
      6·
      10 months ago

      It cuts both ways. Less commercial interest means only hobby level development (which can be high quality, but is typically slow and unpolished for users).

      So you can spend your energy on making up the gap between the ease of use of the commercially supported software and the pure volunteer projects or you can have free time for things you’re more interested in and jump ship when they squeeze too hard for cash.

          • nonprofitparrot@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2·
            10 months ago

            Lots of docker guides + documentation just don’t work, specifically with podman-compose. The networking options are not fully featured, I ended up having to rig up a bunch of kubernetes services just to be able to use my VPN as a network bridge for my media server stack. I got podman working eventually because I think it’s neat, but it definitely would have been twice as easy to just use docker.

    • lemmyvore@feddit.nlEnglish
      2·
      10 months ago

      I mean, “it’s easier to use” is a pretty good quality to have. People tend to pick the most user-friendly and time-saving solution, should we really be surprised? On the contrary, I think FOSS should strive to be easier to use.

      • TCB13@lemmy.worldEnglish
        11·
        10 months ago

        I mean, “it’s easier to use” is a pretty good quality to have. People tend to pick the most user-friendly and time-saving solution

        And they don’t consider anything else and they they get themselves into CentOS situations. Or large monopolies like what Microsoft has over Office.

        I think FOSS should strive to be easier to use.

        Yes so do I.

        • lemmyvore@feddit.nlEnglish
          4·
          10 months ago

          And they don’t consider anything else and they they get themselves into CentOS situations. Or large monopolies like what Microsoft has over Office.

          But so what? The kind of people who do this were not going to be grand contributors to FOSS anyway. They’re just consumers, not makers, and they consume the products that make the most sense to them.

          Also, let’s not lay everything solely on consumer stupidity. Microsoft spends a crapton of money lobbying governments, administrations, universities, schools and so on around the world to maintain their monopoly. Corruption at all levels of society is a big factor.