• Zwrt@lemmy.sdf.org
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        22 hours ago

        That is what i said yes, and i mean it. You just fail to take it literally and keep adding slander to it.

        You welcome the dismantlement of governments that oppose your empire

        Its that continued addition that i somehow want one global power to win first that’s bothering me cause its not true at all. I want all of them to lose, preferably at the same time.

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          22 hours ago

          That is what i said yes, and i mean it. You just fail to take it literally and keep adding slander to it.

          What it literally means is that you would welcome the governments that oppose your empire to fall, even if your empire does not.

          If the only development of events that you would like is for all governments to magically be undone in one moment simultaneously, you do not have anything of merit to say.

          Its that continued addition that i somehow want one global power to win first that’s bothering me cause its not true at all. I want all of them to lose, preferably at the same time.

          They can’t lose at the same time, and supporting the dismantlement of your empire first would mean supporting the governments that oppose it. You have said that you do not support any governments.

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            21 hours ago

            You do not need to support a state to oppose a state. Revolution is powered by people. Not authorites.

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              9 hours ago

              And in the real world stuff happens when a state collapses. So by doing your whole “who cares?” bit the practical end result is that the capitalist cares and they very much appreciate all your hard work spreading their propaganda for them.

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                5 hours ago

                I prefer to get my home cleaned up before i start wirh the street.

                If i lived in (country) that means my number 1 Enemy is that country.

                I believe the people need to rise up globably. And i think it will take more then a few decades before were succesfull. I have accepted that i will be dead long before my grandchildren will enjoy freedom to simply be.

                Thats what i mean when i say i dont care wether Nato goes first when being framed like i support that wannabe authotorian worldorder.

                If you force me to make a choice wich ones must got first id probably pick Israel. But its not like i have much influence over there so its a question beyond what i need to care about while opposing my local government every day.

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                  And yet you are awfully busy worrying about what communists in the periphery are doing instead of throwing your resources towards the death of the imperial core.

                  I believe people need to rise up globally

                  Neat! I believe dragons used to be real. Neither of these beliefs have any effect on material reality and how things play out. Instead of fellating myself about some glorious day where everybody around the world spontaneously decide to be done with capitalism (but we somehow manage to keep enough social cohesion to maintain supply chains so we dont have mass starvation AND maintain some sort of logistical and tactical throughline that makes such an uprising possible), I prefer to work towards an actually achievable future where the yoke of imperialism has been cast off - And that work occurs in a great many steps and requires organisation. Im sorry your parents were too strict with enforcing bedtime, but the real world doesn’t give a fuck about your utopian ideals.

                  Thats what i mean when i say i dont care wether Nato goes first

                  Nobody is framing you. You not caring about whether or not NATO exists to oppress your idealistic liberated underclass of unorganised people means you find the logical end result of that scenario palateable.
                  Thus, no matter what you feel and believe about yourself, the functional effect of your ideology is one that supports capitalist hegemony.

                  I’d probably pick

                  But you dont get to pick. The only thing you get to choose is where to put your resources, and you are putting yours into baskets that advance western imperialism.

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                  I prefer to get my home cleaned up before i start wirh the street.
                  If i lived in (country) that means my number 1 Enemy is that country.

                  So, you do support some states (that oppose the state of your country and would gain from the dismantlement of your state), then, contrary to what you were saying previously.

                  I believe the people need to rise up globably.

                  Against your empire, not against their states if those resist your empire.
                  Otherwise, what you are proposing is supporting NATO operations to subjugate foreigners.

                  Thats what i mean when i say i dont care wether Nato goes first when being framed like i support that wannabe authotorian worldorder.

                  If you don’t care whether NATO goes first, that means that you support the toppling of governments that oppose NATO, but all that would do is strengthen NATO.

                  If you force me to make a choice wich ones must got first id probably pick Israel.

                  Dismantling even just the de jure parts of NATO would mean that Pissrael would be left with no serious support that it relies on.

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              21 hours ago

              Cheering for the destruction of states in the Global South while NATO exists - which is what you promote - is simply support for NATO.

              Also, do you think that revolutions are not powered by violence and threat thereof in order to enforce one group’s will upon another, i.e. by being authoritarian?
              And no, waiting for a few centuries and doing nothing to oppose your empire is not a serious approach to tackling colonialism.