but there legitimately are fascists in the republican party.
Doesn’t matter. The actual fascists doesn’t matter. The thing to be concerned about isn’t the fascists themselves - what matters is the liberals that will hand power to the fascists if their precious status quo is threatened enough.
The thing about fascists that nobody except leftists seem to understand is that fascists serve a very distinct purpose in the classical liberal nation-state - they don’t exist in a vacuum as some kind of “aberration”. Fascism cannot exist without threatened capitalists funding them. Fascism cannot exist without liberals handing power to them to maintain their precious “Law & Order.”
There is no such thing as “grass-roots fascism” - it’s all coming from above.
It makes sense, but I think the downvotes are from people feeling like this is victim blaming as opposed to recognizing what you’re actually saying.
It’s not Johnny Democrat going to the polls that’s allowing fascists to take power, it’s Joe Manchin protecting his own wealth by “allowing” a “friendly fascist” to take power, or pass a bill, if it means stopping a Bernie Sanders from taking office or stopping a popular bill that would cost him potential profit. Unless I’m the one who’s misunderstanding lol
No, you’re not. If voting could undo fascism it wouldn’t exist. If the wants of the majority of people in the US actually counted the US would be a place we couldn’t even imagine in this reality - and so would the rest of the world.
downvotes are from people
I got the exact same response in 2016 as well… even leftists who should have known better hysterically accused me of “accelerationsim” for stating that a Trump presidency would energize the left - which it did (mysteriously, without any “accelerationism” on my part at all).
I don’t blame them… people are grasping at straws. It was the same in 2016.
yes, we could have preserved basic human rights for women by just voting for them directly when we had the chance, but it’s much more entertaining for me if a bunch of people suffer needlessly to achieve the same goal
How fucking privileged can you be? This isn’t a fucking game. Grow the fuck up.
My farts smell better when they are uncorrupted by any semblance of nuance or pragmatism.
Yes, we all understand that you’ve smugly absolved yourself from the burden of real statecraft by being smarter than everyone, but I assure you that plenty of vulnerable people still think your privileged shit stinks like hell.
LOL as if being “Liberal” is in any way a bad thing. It’s actually the only viable and intelligent thing a person can aspire to be. Anything else is worthless. And any comment to the contrary is just as worthless as far as I’m concerned.
LOL as if being “Liberal” is in any way a bad thing.
I’ve never met someone so proud to declare themselves the most limp-wristed strain of right-winger on the spectrum… it’s no wonder the alt-right ran rings around you.
That is really all that the term “liberal” means in the US these days… a privileged “moderate” that is too squeamish to perform the brutal violence that keeps them privileged. That’s what fascists are there for, right?
Yes token boomer I do realize how stupid you are. Your idea of good communication is equivalent to Jeff Dahmer’s idea of good sex. You can shove your attitude up your crusty butthole where it came from, scumbag. And that, good sirs, THAT is good and successful communication!
millions of people will die if Trump wins a second term.
Probably. And if the US political establishment actually manages to dig out a competent fascist, many, many more than that will die or have their lives destroyed (which has never been an unusual thing in the US at all - or anywhere the US does “foreign policy”).
Your problem isn’t Trump. There’s a lot more (and much viler) where he came from. Your problem is the political establishment that allows his existence - will they be allowing you to vote on that any time soon?
The problem is a contingent of poorly educated small brained white trash who very incorrectly believe trump can help them out of their sorry economic conditions (in fact he actually helped make them poorer). The problem is lack of education and lack of humanity that is very evident in the responses posted on this forum.l
The problem is a contingent of poorly educated small brained white trash
Oh… so you are placing the blame for the failure of your faux-democratic capitalism on white people who have the least economic power of all white people in the US?
I wonder… if we were to look at the socio-economic background of the average alt-right supporter - what would we find, liberal?
Trump has plainly stated he will destroy anyone who doesn’t cast a vote for him this time around. If that isn’t frightening, you need to check your pulse.
Well according to recent articles in USA Today and the local Tribune, we do have the votes now. The current polling shows Biden way ahead among the popular votes. We are entitled to everyone of them, thanks for agreeing with me on that.
Lol! It’s quite hysterical - the one minute I’m arguing with people who don’t believe anything in the US could possibly be fascist, the next I’m arguing with people who believe fascism can be stopped through voting.
No - the fascists don’t matter as far as your actual vote is concerned. You can’t “establish” fascism through voting. How much power the fascists get depends completely on the political establishment regardless of how the voting goes. You’ve had four years of Biden and the fascists haven’t grown any weaker, have they?
When you vote for a liberal you are basically voting for them because they pinky-swore that they won’t hand more and more power to the fascists (never mind them actually doing something about the fascists because they won’t) - but they don’t need your permission to do so. You have to understand that they, being political elites, will inevitably be incentivized to do so.
There’s a good reason we call US “formal” politics a glorified “good cop/bad cop” routine.
Doesn’t matter. The actual fascists doesn’t matter. The thing to be concerned about isn’t the fascists themselves - what matters is the liberals that will hand power to the fascists if their precious status quo is threatened enough.
The thing about fascists that nobody except leftists seem to understand is that fascists serve a very distinct purpose in the classical liberal nation-state - they don’t exist in a vacuum as some kind of “aberration”. Fascism cannot exist without threatened capitalists funding them. Fascism cannot exist without liberals handing power to them to maintain their precious “Law & Order.”
There is no such thing as “grass-roots fascism” - it’s all coming from above.
It makes sense, but I think the downvotes are from people feeling like this is victim blaming as opposed to recognizing what you’re actually saying.
It’s not Johnny Democrat going to the polls that’s allowing fascists to take power, it’s Joe Manchin protecting his own wealth by “allowing” a “friendly fascist” to take power, or pass a bill, if it means stopping a Bernie Sanders from taking office or stopping a popular bill that would cost him potential profit. Unless I’m the one who’s misunderstanding lol
The downvotes are from reasonable people who understand that this kind of cynicism is privileged teenager nonsense.
No, you’re not. If voting could undo fascism it wouldn’t exist. If the wants of the majority of people in the US actually counted the US would be a place we couldn’t even imagine in this reality - and so would the rest of the world.
I got the exact same response in 2016 as well… even leftists who should have known better hysterically accused me of “accelerationsim” for stating that a Trump presidency would energize the left - which it did (mysteriously, without any “accelerationism” on my part at all).
I don’t blame them… people are grasping at straws. It was the same in 2016.
How fucking privileged can you be? This isn’t a fucking game. Grow the fuck up.
Are you talking about a certain neocolonialist prodigy of notorious mass-murderer Henry Kissinger, perhaps?
Do tell, liberal - how many lives in the 3rd world would you sacrifice for your venal and hollow “girlboss” fake-feminism?
Yes, we all understand that you’ve smugly absolved yourself from the burden of real statecraft by being smarter than everyone, but I assure you that plenty of vulnerable people still think your privileged shit stinks like hell.
Again, liberal - how many lives in the 3rd world would you sacrifice for your venal and hollow “girlboss” fake-feminism?
It’s a lot more fun to blame things than to fix them
You have a fix? I’m all ears.
Again, pedant - what the fuck are you talking about?
Aaaand… all of a sudden you don’t know what you were talking about.
Precious.
LOL as if being “Liberal” is in any way a bad thing. It’s actually the only viable and intelligent thing a person can aspire to be. Anything else is worthless. And any comment to the contrary is just as worthless as far as I’m concerned.
I’ve never met someone so proud to declare themselves the most limp-wristed strain of right-winger on the spectrum… it’s no wonder the alt-right ran rings around you.
That is really all that the term “liberal” means in the US these days… a privileged “moderate” that is too squeamish to perform the brutal violence that keeps them privileged. That’s what fascists are there for, right?
Great job! Wish I could communicate as well as you.
Thank you!
Masquenox , not you.
Yes token boomer I do realize how stupid you are. Your idea of good communication is equivalent to Jeff Dahmer’s idea of good sex. You can shove your attitude up your crusty butthole where it came from, scumbag. And that, good sirs, THAT is good and successful communication!
Yes it does matter; millions of people will die if Trump wins a second term. Don’t lie to our face by claiming it doesn’t matter.
Probably. And if the US political establishment actually manages to dig out a competent fascist, many, many more than that will die or have their lives destroyed (which has never been an unusual thing in the US at all - or anywhere the US does “foreign policy”).
Your problem isn’t Trump. There’s a lot more (and much viler) where he came from. Your problem is the political establishment that allows his existence - will they be allowing you to vote on that any time soon?
The problem is a contingent of poorly educated small brained white trash who very incorrectly believe trump can help them out of their sorry economic conditions (in fact he actually helped make them poorer). The problem is lack of education and lack of humanity that is very evident in the responses posted on this forum.l
Oh… so you are placing the blame for the failure of your faux-democratic capitalism on white people who have the least economic power of all white people in the US?
I wonder… if we were to look at the socio-economic background of the average alt-right supporter - what would we find, liberal?
Your cognitive dissonance is palpable.
Trump has plainly stated he will destroy anyone who doesn’t cast a vote for him this time around. If that isn’t frightening, you need to check your pulse.
So maybe Democrats should try to get votes instead of just acting entitled to them.
Well according to recent articles in USA Today and the local Tribune, we do have the votes now. The current polling shows Biden way ahead among the popular votes. We are entitled to everyone of them, thanks for agreeing with me on that.
Ok. If that turns out to be a miscalculation on your part, don’t go blaming others.
“the actual fascists don’t matter” …There’s no way you just typed that in good faith.
Lol! It’s quite hysterical - the one minute I’m arguing with people who don’t believe anything in the US could possibly be fascist, the next I’m arguing with people who believe fascism can be stopped through voting.
No - the fascists don’t matter as far as your actual vote is concerned. You can’t “establish” fascism through voting. How much power the fascists get depends completely on the political establishment regardless of how the voting goes. You’ve had four years of Biden and the fascists haven’t grown any weaker, have they?
When you vote for a liberal you are basically voting for them because they pinky-swore that they won’t hand more and more power to the fascists (never mind them actually doing something about the fascists because they won’t) - but they don’t need your permission to do so. You have to understand that they, being political elites, will inevitably be incentivized to do so.
There’s a good reason we call US “formal” politics a glorified “good cop/bad cop” routine.