I fucking hate this kind of people, I’m sorry, but I do. My country is full of them, this is literally the default here…
Save meeee, I wanna go to the Netherlands or some place 😭
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This is why I always say, the cistem = gender ideology. After all, it’s forcing your image upon others.
I am cisfem, I wrestled for 6 years ending my junior year after copious amounts of harassment and a sexual harassment and discrimination lawsuit against one of my coaches. Fun! We moved around a lot so I experienced a lot of attitudes around it. Not all bad, some of my coaches were super into having me, one was having a baby daughter with his wife and followed my career to the end! I’m sure she knows all about me!
These days there are girl’s programs for that all over the place, but back then my choice was to be on a boy’s team or, if offered (never was) gymnastics was supposed to be a physically equivalent sport if the school had both, so had I gone somewhere big with both gymnastics and wrestling I could have never gone nearly to state in wrestling and been offered tryouts for the olympics.
I didn’t place well enough, because I come from a shitty country that trains people in yokel wrestling and not what they do everywhere else, but that’s not the point. I didn’t want to do gymnastics, I’m not coordinated. I have no interest in something where I can fall and hurt myself, other than climbing trees and short buildings. I’d never have been good enough to try out for the olympics as a gymnast. Most of my wins were mat technique or pins, and I created a cradle nobody could mimic or get out of if they got into it, because they were too lanky to have leverage, because they were adolescent boys, I had flexibility and “stopped growing at 12 and started training” short girl muscle.
Thanks for letting me rave about my long past history :)
Firstly, I’m very sorry to hear about the harassment you received. That shit sucks.
Secondly, I’d be very interested to hear more about what you meant by your country not teaching modern wrestling. (I assume we’re talking freestyle rather than Greco-Roman?) Has it really changed that much?
The US does folkstyle throughout non-college school years, rather than either of the forms of wrestling that are done in olympics. Its just an entirely different system. If you want to learn freestyle to be internationally competitive or wrestle for colleges, you have to spend a ton of money on camps and stuff to learn.
The US does folkstyle throughout non-college school years
The main US wrestling for guys in college is also still folkstyle. Back awhile ago you could find freestyle tournaments but they weren’t official college matches, although they’re probably more popular/widespread now. Never knew anyone who wrestled greco though.
If women these days wrestle in college under freestyle I wonder if there’ll be a push to get a men’s league as well. Seems a little silly to be the only country that does non-olympic wrestling, or at least with a wrestling that’s pretty damn close to freestyle. I know plenty of other forms of wrestling exist (like ssireum, Mongolian wrestling, sumo, etc) but they’re at least not terribly close to the Olympics.
Oh I have no idea what college-level uses, or if its the same between mens and womens divisions. I assume it is, since women’s programs aren’t terribly widespread even now (frankly even men’s wrestling isn’t big at the college level, most schools don’t offer it at all in my experience). It makes sense I guess that it’s still folk, but I’d just assumed it was freestyle cuz the one college I looked at with a wrestling program was freestyle. Might have just been club activities though, this was decades back by now. But yeah I also found it rather odd that we set ourselves up for failure that way.
I had a friend who did greco for a while, huge tank of a dude. Fun to watch but never wanted to try myself.
I was just surprised because the wikipedia freestyle wrestling article mentioned that the WCWA wrestled freestyle. As far as I can see the men’s divisions still wrestle folk. I think wrestling popularity in general is regional though. I wrestled in a small division and we had to travel pretty far to get to tournaments all the time, but the NCAA is pretty huge and wrestling at least in the midwest is massive I think.
Kid gender ideology is capitalism trying to get everyone to buy colors of toys/clothes for one kid with a 50% chance of them not wanting to reuse them for the second kid.
A mother at our bus stop rolled out a 1 yr old in a pink pusher car apolegitcally saying they were going to get their aunt to get him a red one this week.
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it’s not really an issue pushing a boy around in a ping car
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if you can’t deal, there is always spraypaint.
My son has a big sister, you can bet your ass he’s pushed around in a pink / purple fairy covered car while wearing pink socks. Idiot parents throwing money out the window because of fucking colours.
That woman knows not the glories of Rome, for it was pink that marked a legion as having earned glories and not the untested red they matched with first. A vexillum still stands yet fools are blinded to the glories of Rome!
Also pink is a very safe color, it pops to the human eyes due to being relatively rare in nature unlike red or blue. Frankly more safety vests need to be made pink and thinned skinned morons forced to deal with it.
Its funny too because pink was once the ‘boy’ color and blue was the girl color.
If I’m not mistaken, it was red. Because that was commonly the colour of kings
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I spent most of my public education life as a straight young boy avoiding team sports in gym class like the fucking plague.
Junior year of high school, I find out I could 1.5x gym credits for taking dance, figured I’d tolerate that in order to get my gym requirement out of the way faster.
Dance class: I’m working harder, significantly more involved and engaged, having more fun, and I get to start the day out hanging out with mostly girls in leotards. There was literally no down side.
Straight guys who avoid dancing are fucking idiots.
I’ve never liked dancing. I’ve just had more fun with masculine stuff like table tennis, badminton, programming, baking, skirts, dresses, makeup, and estrogen.
There’s such a shortage of boys in ballet that they can go to classes at either a heavily reduced rate or completely free. And if you didn’t know, ballet is fucking expensive.
What if you naturally suck at dancing?
Mick Jagger “sucks” at dancing. Sucks as in, compared to Bob Fosse or Gene Kelly he looks like an excited wild turkey. But he more than makes up for it by owning it.
He was also rock star when he was doing that and it was during the 80’s when being a goofy dancer was just the norm TBH.
The cultural cynicism of the 90’s has stained being “cringe” to this day. And the internet and cameras in everyone’s pocket maximize the sense of neurotic insecurity.
This is less an issue of genders and more an issue of just being seen as too earnestly enthusiastic or revealing your physical inferiority publicly.
I don’t like sports much either though. Except [redacted so my friends can’t potentially ID me on Lemmy]. Not a lot of fem’s play that though.
Penis=child will be forced into football causing much pain and suffering in the chance they’ll be able to get a multi-million contract to get concussions on live tv.
Vagina=child will be starved and forced to wear shoes that are extremely painful and dance for someone else’s visual enjoyment. The dance can also be damaging to the body.
When I see all the peewee football camps here I just feel depressed. I call them concussion camps.
Is that the view people have on ballet? My sister was even prescribed it to correct her knee issues she had as a child, and it worked wonders
There’s casual ballet, and then there’s professional ballet, and professional ballet is very hardcore.
As an example, the dancers wrap their feet in bandages so when their feet start bleeding, it won’t damage their shoes. When their feet bleed. Not if.
That’s more related to the culture around big places like the bolshoi ballet than professionalism itself. Picturing ballet like that is like picturing any sport for what olympic athletes do to themselves. It’s all hardcore and damaging
You should Google pictures of the feet of ballerinas. It’s really hardcore.
I wouldn’t go as far as to say I hated sports as a penis-haver, but they did always put me to sleep. They were boring and then the adults would scream at the TV for something or another and wake me up from my snooze. Why do I want to watch a bunch of blurs run around a field be narrated by two old guys? or a bunch of cars going in circles narrated by two old guys?
I still don’t get it. Dad took me to a baseball game once and all I can remember is the drunk old lady yelling at the players from right behind me.
The only benefit I see is a more safe outlet for tribalism. Otherwise, you get maga.
I’m not sure this follows. Sports exist and we still have maga
When they all decided to boycott the NFL because how dare black people ask not to be brutalized. That’s when we fully lost them I think.
Yeah, my dad trys so hard to get me into watching the blues play or go to a boring ass baseball game. Yes they’re fun for him but my god there’s nothing going on, hell in baseball for half the game they aren’t even playing.
I can understand thinking baseball is boring despite not agreeing, but there isn’t a sport more frenetic and exciting than hockey imo. Especially playoff hockey.
Hockey is exciting if you’re into the match and/or sport.
He hits the puck, now someone else hits the puck, wow the first guy just hit the puck again, the puck is now in a net, the crowd is screaming!
I’d rather read a book.
For me, it’s the potential for a fight, and the fact that the rules encourage it almost. Hockey checks can be quite something in person too. A check is where someone slams into someone. Bonus points of it’s against the encirclement.
You can reduce most hobbies down like that though.
Read a book? So you want me to read one of the six stories that exist told slightly differently?
books contain novel (heh) information each time you read another book. there are a nearly limitless supply.
team sports are playing by the same rules every time. there is nothing interesting there imho.
Games never play out the same way though. Some of the things that have happened in the middle of baseball games are crazy unique. Randy Johnson turned a bird into a cloud of feathers with a fastball, and the only time the Oakland A’s played the SF Giants in the World Series (Bay Area series) was when the catastrophic 89 quake hit the Bay Area.
Oh, and the rules change slightly every year!
At least when I yell at my game it’s because I had something to do with the unfortunate situation. Unless you got serious money on the game, why are you yelling? Just an fyi I don’t get mad like when i was a teenager, broke a controller. Now i just say an expletive and calm down and keep playing. The only game that’s upset me recently is Monster Hunter Wilds, but I’m at the end game, so I’m dealing with 1-hit KOs or being knocked down by one attack and hit by an unavoidable follow-up.
I got off topic. I don’t get sports either. Hockey is mildly entertaining but for the most part if I’m going to watch sports it will be in anime form where I get to see the individual struggles.
Sorry but you won’t escape this kind of thinking in the Netherlands either 😅
Nooooo 😭
My dream is shatteredSpain seems a better option (can any spaniard confirm?)
It is significantly less prevalent from my perspective than in other places. Less forceful and less in your face. Still there
They have a pretty similar custom there. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muisjes#Beschuit_met_muisjes%3Fwprov=sfla1
They do have unisex versions! (on the left). Saw them when visiting that country
Wow the wiki header is terrible, and doesn’t even mention the pink vs blue custom.
Way down in the second h2
When pink muisjeswere introduced in 1860, they became the standard with births of female babies while the original white muisjes remained in use with male ones. With the introduction of blue muisjes in 1994, blue has become the standard with boys instead.
¿Por Qué No Los Dos?Do people argue this irl ?
I mean, is a fucking cake, don’t care about gender of it.
Yea they absolutely do lol. This points to all gender essentialism I think, which is definitely something that is still very present.
Yes
They really forced gender based division when I was a kid, elder millennial. I’ve noticed it’s ingrained in most people my age. It took me forever to get my husband to wear pink, as an example.
As a european, I would go for the ballet over American “football” anytime.
Football is actually quite interesting.
europeans disagree seeing how there are football games there every year and no im not talking about soccer
I gotta disagree, not because I am an American, but because I genuinely find American football to be a really interesting sport
They’re completely blind to their own hypocrisy too.
Are the cis okay?
Cis? Some of them. Cultural conservatives? No.
fascists*
I’m not sure. The Confederacy of Independent Systems is building a lot of droids recently
I do hate them, too. I’m with you. You’re not alone. Hugs. 🫂🫂🫂
Thank you 🫂
I don’t like either.
Just let kids do their own thing.
You’re entitled to your own opinion. As long as you’re respectful and don’t spew hatred everywhere (not accusing you of that), you’re good.
I’m just curious, what exactly do you mean?
I’m guessing they don’t like football or ballet
Football or ballet.
I see. I misread your intentions and I apologize.
Lots of trolls here today, don’t know why…I think the troll farms are waking up
