This is…so fucked up. Because it’s true. The statistics are insane. I hate society.
The statistics really are abhorent, and not just the heartbreakingly high share of women who have been assaulted but also that 95% of men in North America have tried to coerce women into sex
Oh jesus…oh shit…oh god…
That’s…wow. That’s worse than I thought.That is beyond depressing. That’s just…holy shit, what’s wrong with this world?
look at the chart, not saying it will be that much less if you use your personal definition of rape, but the most common method “The most common strategy was telling a woman whatever she wanted to hear and this was used by the majority (78.1%)” probably wouldn’t be called rape by very many people.
It’s coercion which isn’t rape but it isn’t ok either.
It’s vague enough as to presumably include flattery
I hate society, but I love seeing new posts from you! I was really happy to see your name in my inbox this morning, Miisha <3
Awww, Velma 😭
I’d hug you if I could, really 🫂
Thank you, it means a lot to me 💜hugs
You come get some Velma momma hugs whenever you want or need, please! My inbox is always open for you <3
You are just the kindest. Thank you so much ❤️
Good comic with good message, but why do we censor the word rape like we’re trying to avert our eyes from the truth?
The artist spoke about this on Reddit. Social media outlets automatically remove content with rape and ban the artists. She said she just can’t be bothered with the hassle so even though she dislikes doing it, she started self-censoring to comply.
As someone who has been browsing the web since the very beginning, young peoples’ obsession with only using the same five websites and nothing else is so fucking bizarre to me. Don’t like a particular platform’s censorship? Use a different fucking platform! We’ve never had more options!
I agree as someone who held onto reddit for far too long. But if you’re trying to reach a wide audience Lemmy doesn’t really work for that.
network effect
you can say things like Die, or killed, which is ridiculous.
I thought because of the same reason the world “unalived” became a thing
I remember (from ages aggo) a list of things fb censored and which are ok.
In short anything slightly too sexual was off limits (that’s probably not the case anymore by now).
And anything violent, horrific, grotesque,… was just fine and dandy.
Just to illustrate what a fucked up version of reality they try to cultivate there.
“I don’t mind, I just do as I’m told, that’s how you know the content is fresh af”
i mean i don’t like it either but I’m glad the artist is able to spread their work so I can see it, if they insisted on taking a stand and stubbornly kept making art that was immediately censored I don’t think this post would exist and that’s worse than the current situation
You can spread any message you like, as long as it is censored in compliance with the ministry of truth.
If it’s really that way, then it really sucks. Tho I cannot blame the artist, they gotta get this thing across somehow. I just wished the artist would at least create an alternate uncensored version or something…
I mean, yeah. When you’re on a platform you have to abide by that platform’s rules if you want to be able to keep posting on that platform.
That’s what you choose to take away?
That’s what you choose to criticise?
Here’s a good advice for you: shut up. Stop posting. Stop thinking that your thoughts are valuable. They’re the opposite.
They’re defending rape victims. Who are you to tell them to shut up?
Because everything has to be PG or people throw a fucking snowflake temper tantrum. Even though everyone knows the words they’re obviously saying. It’s like bleeping out cuas words on the radio. It’s not like anyone over 4 doesn’t know what they’re saying.
As a side note I was an elementary teacher for a decade, your kids are sailors at school, even if you think they’re angels.
Idk where you got the idea that it is the people who want this bullshit. Literally everywhere you see this kind of censorship, people are complaining that it’s there.
It’s fucking corporate run spaces and their AI moderation that will stifle the reach of posts or just straight up remove them if they don’t follow the arbitrary censorship rules that is forcing content creators to self censor themselves in order to have their posts be visible on the major social media platforms.
But why do corporations want to censor bad words when they don’t care if their products are harming or even killing people?
Because they can’t show certain types of ads in proximity to certain things.
They have agreemeents with ad-buyers etc.
Usually it’s about nudity or swearing but probably non-PG or nsfw topics wre included in some too.
It’s not a surprise that advertisers and PR firms are ruining society on countless levels. These are the people who invented billboards and popup ads after all.
Because the minds of the owning class that run these companies are twisted and only care about the Almighty Profit Incentive™
They don’t care if their products are harming people because they don’t care about you, the consumer, after you’ve bought the product. They got their profit out of you. Any bad press about it can be minimized with marketing campaigns to obscure the facts from the general, uninformed public. Prime example of this is Big Tobacco’s efforts over the decades to hide the harmful effects of smoking before they could no longer keep a lid on it.
The censorship nonsense is surrounded by arbitrary, prudish culture bullshit which ad companies care about because they want to be able to market to the widest available audience, so they don’t want to purchase ad space with platforms that permit anything controversial, thus platforms which rely on ad revenue for profit choose to enforce censorship so that those ad companies will choose to buy their ad space.
When asking “why do companies do [X]” it is always about profit.
Of course it’s about profit, but how does censorship increase profits? In the end, I think it is because people don’t want to see bad words when they are doing something that’s supposed to make them feel good: consuming.
Advertisers would happily use bad words if that would increase their sales, but I assume it actually hurts their sales, so they don’t want them anywhere near their ad campaigns.
Yea, that’s what I explained at the end there. Bad words would hurt their sales, so they don’t want to advertise on sites that don’t censor to avoid being associated. So the websites, which rely on ad revenue for their profits, are the ones who engage in censorship to attract companies into buying their ad space, thus ensuring profitability.
I hope whoever started this censorship fad falls into a meat grinder feet first. Stupidest bullshit ever.
Algorithms, investors, capitalism…
Don’t forget ad companies, and probably Mastercard and Visa.
Enshittification too. There was a time on the Internet when you could say rape and suicide and kill. Then shareholder capitalism arrived and said actually these words decrease shareholder value by 0.001% and we can’t let that happen anymore
I think it’s also because some people are extra bothered by setting the full word without some attempt to mark it. Really if this was like the rest of the fediverse there would be a CW on it. And please don’t quote Louis CK at me.
Those people should just suck it the fuck up. It’s a goddamned word. Marking it or making the letting look off to get around moderation highlights the word if anything. It’s stupid crybaby bullshit.
Alternatively, we live in a society.
I don’t mind accommodating sensitive crybabies if that’s all it takes. But everyone gets their own space so it’s chill.
yup. meet my aunt. many years of pick me isms and trying to shame me for speaking out for the metoo movement.
she was kidnapped as a young woman in a foreign country. she says she survived the ordeal and was never afraid during the whole episode but since i have known her she was absolutely cruel , shaming any victim of rape, hoisting her opinions up on being a survivor looking down on everyone else
slowly… she found she couldnt stand to be alone anywhere. not even without a big dog.
then it got worse
fast forward decades later now she is in shambles struggling with that past trauma that manifested as severely crippling anxiety as she grows older and cant even be around more than a few people without having a massive emotional breakdown. the last one she ended up hospitalized. now isolated herself on an island, claiming shes just wanting ‘alone time’ and cant stand people.
doesnt hesitate to middle finger at any women who speak up about rape.
behold: the true ‘survivor’.
Thank you for your aunt’s story, it made me once again realise my levels of misanthropy aren’t healthy and I need yet another 100 hours of therapy.
I mean, you’re not wrong to have a certain view of men. It’s just that living in those feelings all the time is harmful.
Misanthropy is the general hate and/or distrust for the human species, not just men.
You’re right, I somehow heard “misandry.” But I would have wrote the same thing. People suck.
Sadly, things like this happen to victims of all kinds of abuse. When I was a kid, my father would sometimes tell me about things that his father did to him. Eventually I recognized that he had suffered horrible physical and verbal abuse. His father, in turn, had lived a life filled with trauma. Instead of dealing with it, he unloaded all his trauma onto his kids who then unloaded their inherited trauma onto their kids, including me.
When I began to recognize this dynamic, It was like I could see the little boy, within my dad, who just wanted to be loved but instead was systematically destroyed; through no fault of his own. His capacity for joy and love were greatly compressed, and the void filled with fear and anger. I saw that I was just like him and I was horrified at that discovery.
Sometimes people try to run away from the pain and fear. I think that’s why they try to pretend they’re above it. Because it feels easier to malign people who share your experience, in order to try and pretend it wasn’t real, than it is to face the pain and fear.
But until you face it, you will never escape it. It will always be there wreaking havoc on your life and lives of those around you.
“i went through it and turned out fine. If you went through it and became traumatized, it means you were weak. And I’m not weak, so I wasn’t traumatized”
Tale as old as time.
this comment made me think a good bit
i’m so happy i’m breaking untold generational cycles of familial trauma and abuse by not having kids and ending my bloodline with myself
for everyone reading out there, there’s never anything wrong with cutting off shitty family if they deserve it. don’t let anyone guilt you into believing otherwise
I think a lot of mental illnesses are inherited this way. I would love to see some reseach on this. Most research that I could find focuses on mental illnesses being inherited through the genome.
I watched one of those kidnapping storys on youtube and I thought until 40 minutes in that the situation must have beed retty bad for her until the last 5 minutes which gave lasting anxiety. That shit isn’t just bad, its horrifying
The sheer amount of violence that women and children are expected to absorb as normal in order to maintain the illusion of a civilized society is honestly staggering to look at.
Now here’s the fun thing. The undue pressure it puts on men is toxic as fuck too. This doesn’t benefit anyone!
Yeah, and this is NOT a “blame the victim thing” but women and children get to have pressure to just accept “their place” as the “lesser” but there are probably a fair number of dudes who get a similar pressure to “accept their place” as the better.
For the benefit of a lot of asshole dudes being able to feel good about being assholes.
It’s part of why that block of assholes is really pushing back lately against progressive ideals. Because it’s a threat to the idea that “if you are a dude, you can just do it, it’s your place.” Especially as more and more men pull back and realize “I don’t have to be an asshole, I can respect others.”
It makes the assholes way way more obvious.
Men benefit from it. They benefit both from raping people with impunity and from being one of the good ones who doesn’t.
This reminds me of a story my daughter told me. My daughter and one of her guy friends were sitting around talking about their experiences. They got into the typical one upping each other and he dropped the first time he had sex was with his babysitter when he was 12.
My daughter immediately apologized for what had happened to him (babysitter was 17). He was confused at first because no one had ever reacted that way. Most people cheered or egged him on when he told them. After he thought about it he thanked her. I was very proud of her when she told me this.
…I’m a guy, and I remember defaulting to “bragging” about having a 19 year old girlfriend when I was 14. That seemed socially appropriate because of the praise I got. My partner at the time apologized like that too and I , also, was confused.
When I remembered what happened the first time it was pretty bad.
I was spending the night at my friends house while both our parents went out and she was the “adult” in case anything would happen while they were gone. She kept walking by the door in less and less clothing.
Then I remember her bringing us some snacks and drinks in her underwear for our video game marathon which caught my attention. We intended to stay up all night so I was confused when my friend fell asleep kinda suddenly.
I wasn’t tired so I kept playing. She comes out into the living room in only a towel, and just came over and took it from me, like. No words exchanged or anything just kissed me on the forehead when she was done with me. My friend is still snoring.
Suddenly I wanted to spend the night every weekend. Same scenario though, my friend would zonk out after snacks and she would come in and use me up. Of course it took me decades to realize she was drugging her brother so she could do that to me. I thought she loved me so I started treating her like a girlfriend. My parents picked up on it and did nothing. Said nothing. Took me to go hang out with her alone often.
Even now it’s really disgusting to think about. She is no longer alive so I can’t really do anything or tell her it was fucked up.
I have a hard time connecting to people. I think that’s why.
I’m sorry that happened to you, that was fucked up.
Therapy has been really helpful. I don’t want to tell the whole story to anyone I know so being able to dump it all on some old lady that I don’t know is kinda amazing.
Im doing better about it now. Thank you.
😢 that is so upsetting the adults reinforced it and approved it and encouraged it, how confusing it must have been, you were just a kid, yeah you kinda liked it but when we look back on things in retrospect through our adult eyes we see clearly, and your adults should have known better through their own adult understanding and they should have protected you. Because children & adults are simply incompatible as sexual partners and almost always causes lifelong psychological & social trauma for the victim 😢
What made you start to realise it was fucked up? Is it when you realised you’d been used rather than loved? And how might it affect how you’re able to connect with people now?
Just trying to understand how we go from celebrating a situation to feeling scared by it.
I saw her at the store one day a few years ago. We exchanged pleasantries and all that you’d do seeing an Ex, which is how I saw her in the moment. Something bothered me for a while after that. I couldn’t believe how short she was! Like she was less than 5 feet but I didn’t think I was a full foot and a half taller than her.
That’s because I wasn’t much taller than her then. I hadn’t finished growing. And then I remembered how it all went down. Realizing it could have had meaning to it, with someone I at least knew and maybe cared about. The fact that even my parents were just fine with it started to make me sick.
Started thinking about relationships in my adult life and how none of them have been satisfying. I’ve never been close enough to anyone to really have that kind of bond with. Being used and praised for it is a mindfuck.
This sounds exactly like the book The Reader, a fictional story but eerily similar to this comment :(
It doesn’t sound like a book I’d enjoy, but I’ll check it out. I force myself to read things I don’t enjoy from time to time.
kinda like the ISAIP episode, where Dee said dennis was 'raped" when he said he bedded an older lady at 14, then the realization sunk in for him after being confused for a second.
I’m proud of your daughter, too 💕
For anyone curious, they’re apparently finally reopening the Cornel 7 rape case for the dudes who had to write an essay for gangraping a woman for what amounts to a working shift…
This is one of those comics where I have no clue what’s actually going on and who Jane Doe is and subsequently want to look it up but then realise that I really don’t need that information in my life, it’s probably a harrowing and dreadful story. I’m gonna enjoy my blissful ignorance and listen to ride the cyclone instead.
If you do decide to looks it up, the reach term to find stories about this event is below
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Cornell 7. In 2024, A group of 7 frat fuck sticks gang raped a woman for 7 hours. Their only punishment was to write an essay. Cornell swept it under the rug.
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Consented
Drunk
Drunk people can’t consent, dipshit.
Edit: And that’s before mentioning she was given high amount of other substances that she was not used to.
Insane take. For one, drunk is giant fucking spectrum. But more importantly, SO WERE THE MEN!!! The only reason you people don’t care is because you haven’t deconstructed the patriarchy in your mind. Sex to you is still something a woman would never really want, and that men inflict upon a woman.
she didn’t call in other men to have sex with those men she used with, she didn’t tell them to keep having sex with her for hours on end. that’s a key element here your victim blaming logic is missing, maybe stop.
Just so you know where the downvotes and hate are coming from; and for anyone else who doesn’t understand either: “consenting while drunk” is not consent. There’s no ‘regret it later’, since there wasn’t consent - it’s more like ‘feel regret after becoming aware of it’, but even regret is the wrong word. disgusted, violated, furious.
I don’t have immediate access to the evidence, but my understanding is that these men and/or their accomplices intentionally got this woman too drunk to resist. She was unable to competently say yes, but she was also unable to competently say no.
If you think of this and other rape cases stemming from ‘they were drunk and regretted it later’ situations as the fault of the drunk person, please go educate yourself about consent and why being intoxicated precludes it.
I don’t have immediate access to the evidence, but my understanding is that these men and/or their accomplices intentionally got this woman too drunk to resist. She was unable to competently say yes, but she was also unable to competently say no.
Close, they were feeding her ketamine.
Both are true. They got her drunk before the first two guys, then after the text inviting the rest of the frat to rape her was sent out, another guy forced her to take ketamine off of his dick.
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That’s not a good article on alcohol and consent. This is not true. Here’s a better write up on the subject.
https://bwell.brown.edu/resource/substances-and-consent
Kind of harmful to spread honestly. This is the kind of misinformation that showed up in consent talks 10-15 years ago. It really should be treated with the nuance the subject deserves so people are properly educated.
I apologize. I’m no expert on the topic, but an ally. I’ll read the link and improve my understanding.
I don’t know for sure what the facts here were. If she was unable to say yes/no than that is obviously rape. My understanding was that she was able to and did say no to some things (which the guys then did not do) and agreed to others. According to her own statement to the police, which seemed trustworthy to me. If that is what happened, I don’t see how it was rape. If something else happened, than it could be rape.
No!
I am not one of the people who say you can’t possibly give consent while under the influence BUT everyone has the obligation to NOT DO anything to a person that they might not like.
If you fuck a drunk person and than that person says you raped them you did not make sure they were able to really consent.
For this specific case you don’t seem to have the empathy to understand, a person who is so drunk that they were not able to consent in the first place than them saying yes or no to specific acts has like no meaning at all.
If you have ever been blackout drunk you should be able to imagine that saying no or yes really loses all meaning in that situation.
I genuinely need people to explain to me how if a bunch of drunk and high PEOPLE fuck EACH OTHER, it’s only the woman that’s raped, and only the men that are responsible for any drunk actions.
Sex is something, in general, that you do together. Why the hell do you expect a bunch of smart judgement calls from men, but not from the woman? Unless, of course, you subscribe to the patriarchal norms that no woman could ever like “just sex”, and that sex is always something men “inflict” on women.
she wasn’t sober enough to text 9 plus of her guy friends to come in and run on train on those guys who were using with her. They were, because they did just that.
I was pretty wild in my 20s, I went to a lot of parties with a lot of drugs and alcohol and naked people, and things happened, but somehow I never raped anyone. if someone slapped me away, seemed AT ALL annoyed, I moved on, and I certainly didn’t find someone high and horny and responded by texting 9 of my guy friends to come in and fuck them, explicitly stating that they didn’t need to even try to check if it was OK and just go ahead and whip it out, that sounds like rape from every angle I can think of. I remember at that age a friend telling me a horror story about a girlfriend of hers showing up high to have consenting sex at a place and then being raped by multiple men. it’s not about who’s high and who’s a woman and after the fact deciding what it was, it was rape when she got too high to decide, and it kept being rape when they kept calling in more and more men FOR HOURS to keep raping her. if a friend of mine texted me and says ‘hay this girl is real high and do you want to come in here and fuck her, she’ll be fine with it’ I’ll go ahead and not do that. and block them. what the fuck. that’s clearly wrong on so many levels, even anonymous group sex and consensual non consent have more levels of not rape than that. this isn’t even the first time a woman has stated they were OK with several men having sex with them and then it went too far and she had no way of stopping the situation and then after hours of being in that situation she felt it was pretty clearly rape from the men’s point of view as well. if you’re involved in group sex and you don’t know what stop means or what ‘I’m tired’ or a deep sigh of not into this anymore means, or what a safeword is for, or you don’t know where their limits are, and you’ve never heard of aftercare, you aren’t kinky, you’re a fucking rapist. this ISN’T how people who do drugs and have group sex operate, everyone has limits, some people AREN’T into pain, you don’t just decide once the ball is rolling, you have to have communication and a clear way out for everyone at any second, and even a little resistance or annoyance should be significantly noticed and responded to. I managed to do this when I was high and drunk. it’s not hard, you just don’t rape people
Your logic fails miserably on the fact the the guys were drunk too. If your logic applies, she also raped them. But of course, they are male, so I guess that is not a problem in your head.
PS: Also, we as society don’t accept alcohol as an excuse in any other context. You were drunk and someone convinced you to drive? Prison for you. You were drunk and interpreted something as consent that wasn’t? Straight to prison. But you gave consent while drunk? That is everyone elses problem. The poor you can’t be responsible for your choices cause you were drunk. Everyone else needs to go to prison, for not doing alcohol and drug tests before accepting a clear “yes” as consent. Ridiculous.
she didn’t call her friends in to have sex with those guys for hours on end. they did. they weren’t high and dunk enough to fail to call in several other men to have sex with her. there’s also a legal different between choosing to do something and lacking the ability to stop other from doing something to you. again, she didn’t call in more men to fuck the guys she was using with for hours on end. I bet if she did, you’d be singing a differently tune, because logically you don’t fight for maximum victim blaming when you’re not REALLY upset women might be treated with respect a little. I hope your garbage behavior is a lack of life experience and you learn to stop being this way, if not, let’s see that rap sheet!!
No, you’re ignoring the “and then that person says you raped them part.” There’s no indication from before, during, or after they raped her that she coerced the men into something they didn’t want.
The police did a poor investigation including not seizing phones, and her statement is lacking detail. As per her statement there’s big memory gaps… you don’t know that she was conscious the entire time. There’s also the snapchat offering her as “free pussy” which even the men haven’t said she agreed to. There’s multiple men, she was outnumbered and heavily under the influence… Consent has to be freely given
you don’t know that she was conscious the entire time.
I don’t. I never claimed I do. But I also don’t tend to say people are criminals based on things that could have happened but I don’t know if happened. I made it clear what facts I was assuming.
There’s also the snapchat offering her as “free pussy” which even the men haven’t said she agreed to.
I didn’t read about this. If there were explicit images of her taken or distributed without consent, that is a crime. Not rape, but a reprehensible crime that they should be imprisoned for.
There’s multiple men, she was outnumbered and heavily under the influence…
The first doesn’t matter (criminally speaking, not making moral judgments here), the second only if she wasn’t able to give consent.
Consent has to be freely given
Yes. But any coercion must actually exist, not just be in your head.
Now I wasn’t there, I don’t know if there was coercion or she passed out or anything else. But I saw nothing so far that would make me believe they raped her, even in the parts of her statement that were released. People should be presumed innocent unless proven guilty and here even the accusers statement doesn’t seem to hold much, let alone any independent evidence.
Do the gaps not raise a concern for you? And even the men don’t say she wanted the snapchat message sent, showing she didn’t consent to being offered. Abd I disagree that multiple men being in the room doesn’t matter, as it creates fear/intimidation.
Have you ever considered not being a piece of shit?
no
If you are in a mind altered state then you can’t consent to shit.
Let’s put it this way, would anyone allow you to sign a contract for a loan or house if you were drunk. No they wouldn’t.
Edit - furthermore if they (and that’s a big if as opposed to did) pushed the drinks and shots and who knows what else on her, to make it so she said yes then that sure as fuck proves they knew she had to be blitzed to say yes.
Drunk is big fucking spectrum. She was definitely not blackout drunk. Most importantly, all the goddamn men were drunk and high too!! Did she rape them? Or is sex something a woman could never want, something men inflict upon women?
Stop equating rape and sex.
No one will let you out of a contract because you took one or two shots prior. Unless you are unconciouss or visibly don’t understand what is happening, consent is consent. Or did she also rape the guys since they were drinking as well, also unable to consent? From what I read, she was neither passed out nor passive.
If they actually spiked her drink, she was passed out, or anything else of the kind, that’s of course rape.
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Jane Doe is a pseudonym used to represent the (female) victim in court documents when the victim’s identity and/or privacy shall be protected.
Aahhh, so that’s why the name seems familiar even though there’s nothing in particular I associate with it (except for ride the cyclone), thanks!
Wait, you’re not traumatised by my response? g https://lemmy.world/post/52932971/26261891
you’re welcome!
AAAAHH SOME HELPFUL AND VERY NON-SPECIFIC KNOWLEDGE ABOUT AN IMPORTANT DETAIL TO THE CONVERSATION HOW WILL I EVER RECOVER
:)
Ah, giving details about a horrific thing to someone that explicitly said they did not want detail about the horrific thing. Internet, ever so helpful.
If providing a definition for a general expression to someone who mistook it for a name is “giving details about a horrific thing” to you, then that’s definitely a you-problem.
Welcome to the reality of many people who simply can’t escape this topic like you can.
Explaining that it is not a real name is arguably reducing the level of detail that they thought they knew.
They came into the thread. They commented on the thread. They are not the only person in this thread. To think that the thread should come to a complete halt because one person who willingly participated said they don’t like the topic is asinine. But at least you and I both got to do what we love: complain pointlessly.
The person youre being outraged for found the comment helpful… This is fkn stupid 😂
If you’re a woman, more power to you.
If you’re a man, get reading. You don’t get to sit this one out.
Jane Doe is the title of the chainsaw man movie ending theme and thats all I need to know about that. Banger song and movie tho
Why is this getting down votes, the song IS good! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPLqsLsooJY
Probably because they kinda said they didn’t care about the rape.
Huh I Didn’t say that and didn’t notice you could read it like that. I meant I dont need to know more. I know a reference and that reference has a tragic backstory to it and I don’t want to traumatize myself by knowing the actual backstory. Thank you for telling me
thats all I need to know about that.
Yeah it was this little detail that reads that way.
By all means, avoid the details as needed for your own mental health. I really understand that reaction. As long as it isn’t in a dismissive way of course.
There’s a ton of bad shit going on in the world, and I can’t affect 99.999% of it directly. My empathy battery is fucking dry at this point and while I do know about this situation, I know there are hundreds if not thousands of others I don’t know about.
For my mental health, I could imagine limiting my exposure to additional horrific things if I could.
Every time something like this hits national news, I use it to send my state leadership another request asking them to make a new category in the statute renaming ‘sexual battery’ (paraphrased, sexual contact without consent) to ‘rape’ if there is intoxication involved.
Right now my state is [misdemenor]no consent => [felony]underage; active-no; active-no with violence.
I want a felony non-consent with intox, and I want the law to have very limited requirements for the victim to prove intoxication, since it might be days or even months later that the victim is able to speak up.
At first I was gonna write something like “I can’t remember hearing an argument quite that tonedeaf”.
But then it came back to me:
It was during/right after the metoo movement.
“Well why didn’t they speak up sooner?”
This coming from an older woman.
The generational disconnect is astonishing.
I remember My mother thinking the TV series Mad Men was too real because she worked in the late 70s and was sexually harassed as a 20 year old.
It’s all wild to me, The reception in my office are all like my little sisters, I just want to protect them and annoy them.
A term that I stumbled across a few years ago is “hermeneutical injustice”, a phrase that was coined in response to sexual harassment in the 70s and onwards. It refers to when people who have faced an injustice don’t have the language to be able to talk about their experiences properly, which inhibits their ability to personally process their experiences, as well as making it harder to organise against the systemic injustice they had faced. It’s effectively an extra layer of systemic injustice on top of what they have already experienced.
Linking this to something concrete, we can look at the fact that when women were first entering the workplace in the 60s and 70s, “sexual harassment” wasn’t a term that existed, and women who experienced it struggled to communicate their experiences authentically. “What do you mean you’re upset because your boss bought you flowers? He’s just being nice”.
“Sexual harassment” being coined made it possible for people (especially women) to talk about their experiences in the workplace in a manner that led to some structural change. Whilst it’s still depressingly common in the workplace, as you highlight in your comment, we have come a long way.
That to me is the really surreal part of all this — the fact that if you existed in the 70s, you’d be far less likely to even notice problematic conduct such as that seen in Mad Men
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francine_Gottfried
Easy example of what women had to deal with back then.
Very interesting, thankyou
To me Mad Men seemed way to unrealitic. But I know that it was pretty well researched on many topics.
So I guess the 70s are too far away for me to even comprehend.
Wow, that’s a powerful one.
Me too!
Why is this censored?
The artist censored it.
Which says a lot about the internet today…
Artist felt the message being shared was more important.
its about megyn kelly how she justifed her SA/SH WAS different.
Sexual Assault. Sexual Harassment. Rape.
For fuck sake, people censoring words to skirt ‘the algorithm’ so their ‘post is higher’ isn’t helping. Making people have to ‘decode’ voluntarily-censored words impedes vital attention to - and discussion of - a horrible subject and hideous act that needs to be dragged into the light, kicking and screaming. Censoring these subject seems like obfuscation, and these loathsome acts should never be hidden. People who perpetrate such crimes thrive in darkness, when all they deserve is shame, ostracision, and long prison sentences.
Especially here, where there is no real algorithm to speak of. This self-censoring is pervasive and also changes the way people think, and not in a good way.
Using SA is pretty normal to tone down the horrible implications of the word. It’s not censorship in the algo sense, but it’s instead to lessen the impact the word can have on victims of it.
Fair point.
using abbreviations in comments is fine, it’s just like any other shortened term
the censoring in the post is dumb, though
A is assault. What’s H?
Right? Isn’t self-censorship super fucking annoying?
Well, I understand censoring S*x or sex, but assault and harassment shouldn’t be. Not everyone can understand acronyms
Probably harassment
Harassment
I always understood SH as an acronym for self harm
In this context Sexual Harassment seems more likely, but that’s the problem with censorship, you can never be sure what the person using it was trying to say, or if they were even actually trying to say anything to start with.
Oh god this pedestrian fucking comic again…
They censored “rape”? Ok…
Oh god, this pedestrian fucking comment again…
Pedestrian? Lol, do you drive a comedy car or something?
She censors rape becauseost platforms she posts on auto remove and ban for the word rape.

















