Greta Thunberg pulls out of Edinburgh Book Festival over 'greenwashing' - eviltoast
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    Actually it is. The issue of sustainable energy production solves itself as we speak. Not because of some activist initiative or international treaty, but because capitalism has turned green energy into a cheap energy

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      Capitalism doesn’t push innovation, in fact it hampers it. But once innovation pushes through despite all the odds, capitalism is right there to exploit it and enshittify it as much as possible.

      Just because capitalism is the end-all be-all of our economic system right now does not mean it is responsible for all the good in the world. Good can exist in spite of a system, not just because of it.

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        Capitalism doesn’t push innovation

        And yet you’re writing this from a stupidly complex computer made by capitalistic economic system. Oh the irony.

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          Weird, I thought electrical engineers designed those computers but it turns out it was capitalism, because as we all know engineers only exist within a capitalist framework.

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            Computers were a cap–oh, wait.

            The Internet was–oh wait.

            Satellites were–oh dang.

            I guess shitty profiteers capitalizing on subsidized or even fully government-funded inventions is what that commenter means by capitalism.

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          Just because it was made in a capitalist country doesn’t mean it was “made by capitalism”. Is someone paying you to be this ignorant?

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          Capitalism actively and consistently stifles progress and research. Success in spite of capitalism is not proof of capitalism’s success, you look silly making that claim in isolation.

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          “You despise the system yet you continue to exist within it, curious…”

          If you read past the first part of the first sentence of the first paragraph of my comment you may have had a chance to read this thing I said as well:

          Good can exist in spite of a system, not just because of it.

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      Capitalism incentivizes whichever enterprises currently controlling the market to suppress new innovation at all costs. Be better.

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        Right? Oil companies have been doing literally everything in their power to suppress green energy so that they can milk their dirty cash cow. Capitalism is 99% of the problem.

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        No, these are hard numbers. Renewables are cheaper than fossil and because of that, renewable energy production grows exponentially. Days of fossil fuels are counted, along with majority of oil and gas extraction industry

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      Actually it isn’t. Capitalism isn’t interested in cheap energy. Capitalism is interest in cheap profits and so far there’s no other energy source as profitable as oil.

      Capitalism has actually fought against green energy, even after knowing the possible effects of continued reliance on fossil fuels. This site has a good summary of what Exxon and other oil companies knew and what exxon decided to do. The short gist is that back in 1970 got the first pretty definitive conclusion that CO2 emissions are a concern and they spend another 10-15 years researching the outcomes, finding out that it’s an ecological catastrophe and it ends with a memo from an Exxon spokesperson more or less saying that Exxon’s strategy will be to emphasize the uncertainty of the same scientific conclusion they spent almost 2 decades researching. Here’s literally the one of Exxons top lobbyist confirming that they did aggressively fight the science and the early efforts to prove climate change.

      The only reason we’re now seeing a shift towards green energy isn’t because of capitalism, but because government regulations finally understanding that oil companies (capitalism) has effectively played them like a fiddle for whatever short-term profits. It’s government regulations and subsidies that are now forcing capitalism towards green energy. Capitalism has little to nothing to do with turning green energy cheaper, instead it has tried to keep us from shifting to green energy for as long as it could simply because it was more profitable to stick with fossil fuel.

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      Clean energy startups get bought out by fossil fuel companies which then do nothing with the technology and knowledge they’ve purchased, and now own the rights to. Fossil fuel companies aren’t interested in progress, unless they control the pace at which it occurs. They abuse capitalism and hurt society for their own benefit.