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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to Socialism@lemmy.mlEnglish · 9 days ago

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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to Socialism@lemmy.mlEnglish · 9 days ago
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    For a year Soviet Union was executing ~1000 people per day, every day. But yeah sooooo good.

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      From 1971-2021 US sanctions killed over 28 million people, of whom at least 14 million were children, through starvation and denial of medicine.

      In a world that already grows enough food for 10 billion people, 10 million people starve to death every year, a situation that can only exist because the US Empire enforces that injustice with absolutely staggering violence. You literally cannot conceive of how much blood is spilled across every single day of ‘peace’. There has never been a more bloodsoaked entity than the United States.

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        for a year

        1971-2021

        Ah, yes. Either way, it doesn’t matter because both suck. One more than the other.

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          Well it doesn’t matter because one doesn’t exist anymore. We should focus on the one that still does bad stuff.

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            ok then tell your other .ml friends to shut the fuck up about the thing that doesn’t exist

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              Why would they? They need to LARP of how they’re just like revolutionaries.

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          “actual facts don’t matter because I have declared that they both ‘suck’”

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          Stubbing your toe and being eaten by hyenas “both suck”, but you are smoking crack if you think one isn’t obviously a million times better than the other.

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            disagreement = smoking crack

            I guess you are smoking crack if you think a better one can’t exist

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              “Oh I was just disagreeing” no you weren’t you were equivocating the two like a dumbass and now you’re pretending you weren’t because even you can see it’s a stupid equivalence to draw.

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          1000 people a day for a year versus almost 2000 a day for fifty years. Ah yeah these things are basically equivalent, I have truly become an enlightened centrist.

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      Yeah which year mfer?

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          You literally cannot help but call women misogynistic slurs can you.

          I hope you get hit by a truck. Sincerely.

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              Lol you’re gonna be one thousand and one if you keep being so cringe, now run along and make a post crying about how the terrorist commies threatened you

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              You have yet to even provide a single source for your claim you just reacted to us pointing out this is usually pulled from WWII and includes Nazis. You just immediately lashed out with a slur. Calling you “mfer” for clearly making up Nazi apologia is not at all the same as calling a woman a c*nt in anger at being asked for a source.

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              I guess that’s your method of coping with truth.

              Go back to Reddit you insufferable fucking dork.

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              The worst part about Reddit’s enshittification is people like you coming to lemmy

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      What year? It wouldn’t happen to be immediately before, during or post ww2, would it? Because west Germany and the Gladoi-style nazification of capitalist Europe are the perfect counterpoint to show why you have to execute nazis.

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        They probably thought of Warhammer 40000 where 1000 psykers per day are sacrificed to the God Emperor, idk.

        Or maybe USA where around 1000 people per day was dying from avoidable pandemic so that the line could go up and the answer from government was to stop counting the dead.

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          Our prisons have on campus, secret graveyards, too, so we really don’t know how many.

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          I remember the period when that number reached 3,000 and it was literally 9/11 every day. It might seem like a silly comparison, but seeing how one was immediately turned into a grotesque, maudlin display of narcissistic injury by our government to justify attocities while the other, way worse one was just inflicted on us by those same people as a matter of course. Really made me understand the reality, how some lives are valued while billions are written off. All those Palestinians are just an abstract statistic, but we must stop the world in its tracks to mourn Bryan Thompson and Charlie Kirk. It’s kind of like what this person is doing actually. “Sure my idea of normalcy floats atop an ocean of blood that i refuse to acknowledge, but the people who stepped up to change that fact committed the unforgivable crime of making the butchers bleed!”

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      Thank you for providing concrete example of why gulags will indeed be necessary after a socialist revolution.

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        What were they even saying?

        Edit: I mean the removed comments.

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          I don’t recall anymore, it’s in the modlog.

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          ok there fash

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      Being an anti-communist must be awesome. You can just make shit up and then, when you get pushed, quote some thinktank named something like “BillionaireFreedomFund” funded by George McBloodghoul.

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          The Soviet Union was a socialist state. The workers ran and controlled the state and the economy to serve the needs of the people. Communism is beyond socialism, and the USSR never developed into that.

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          Correct, it was socialist, moving towards communism

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          Technically correct. There has never been a communist state because communism is a socio economic system that by definition is stateless. The USSR most definitely was socialist though, and implementing communism definitely was their goal.

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      Which year?

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          So Nazis, then. Good riddance.

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              Yeah because there totally wasn’t Nazis or Nazi adjacents in 1937-1938. Don’t come in here telling us to “read just minimal tiniest fraction of history” when you’re quoting fucking Wikipedia.

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              Cry harder. More Nazis will continue to die.

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      And since we’re here for the numbers, in 1950 total number of sentenced individuals in the USA was 166,165 thousand or 6.68% of that in USSR.

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        https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/prisoners-1996

        Only 1.1m

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            The meme states number of incarcerated in that year, not number of people sentenced that year. You are just a reactionary grasping at anything to absolve the US of its fascistic history.

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              This report combines yearend population counts from the annual published reports into a single table. [1988, page 1]

              The total number of prisoners under the jurisdiction of Federal or State adult correctional authorities was 1,182,169 at yearend 1996 [1997, page 1]

              It is actually the population count not people sentenced.

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                Yeah that is what I was saying. The number they pulled out of their ass to “refute” the total prisoner count was only the number sentenced in that year. I think if we tallied up total number of people simply jailed in that same year 5.5m would probably be right.

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                    oops friendly fire

                    What I meant was that the total number of people in prison/jails anywhere in US, charged sentenced or otherwise could easily have been 5.5 million. I have no idea where the meme op posted got its statistic, but the dbzero person in this thread is fixated on only the people that were sentenced that year, not people that were actually imprisoned during that year regardless of date of sentencing.

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                Anyone placed in jail or prison is a prisoner and incarcerated. Imprisoned doesn’t necessarily mean tried or sentenced, just jailed. One can be arrested and imprisoned without ever being charged with anything. It’s actually super common in the US.

                Reading comprehension clearly is not your strong suit either but I will give you the charity that english may not be your first language and you are not familiar with the terminology of the US carceral system.

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