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  • YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH@infosec.pub
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    11 months ago

    And the slogan is “Palestine will be free”. It isn’t that Israelis will be exiled or some shit. It is a call for liberation of all people.

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      11 months ago

      Let’s also not forget that these people didn’t seem to care that Israel very much engaged in “from the river to the sea” when they continued to displace and marginalize the majority-population mid-20th century as dictated by outside nations.

      And if the world was that concerned over the refugees of the Holocaust, why didn’t the British or Poland volunteer a piece of their own land?

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        11 months ago

        I mean, it’s because the antisemites wanted to get rid of their Jewish population. Belfour (of the declaration fame) was wildly antisemitic.

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        11 months ago

        Let’s also not forget that these people didn’t seem to care that Israel very much engaged in “from the river to the sea” when they continued to displace and marginalize the majority-population mid-20th century as dictated by outside nations.

        This was actually in the original charter for Likud

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        11 months ago

        The thing is that nobody cares about Holocaust survivors, Israel has completely forgotten about them and most died in abject poverty despite the world paying lip service with millions in charity and repairs ending up in the pockets of zionist politicians while the holocaust survivors suffered and starved.

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          11 months ago

          Umm. Generalize much? Sure there are some people fitting that description but the vast majority of holocaust survivora have led hugely successful lives. Heck, they built Israel.

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        11 months ago

        Pink washing doesn’t really work when the state you are staning for doesn’t allow interfaith or gay marriages to be performed in country.

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          11 months ago

          At least, you know, they allow people to be gay or have another religion.

          It’s interesting how so many people stan for a place like Gaza and the Westbank. And even call for Israel to be abolished and everyone become a part of a new country called “Palestine” that murders gay people and openly hates people of other ethnicities and religions.

          It does seem to me like these people either don’t know much about the culture and history there, or they don’t care. Which doesn’t fit to the overall virtue signalling to pretend to be on the side of justice.

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            11 months ago

            Again, you are painting all Palestinians as members of Hamas. They are not. And it is obvious they are not given the demographics of the region. Thousands of children have died in Gaza. They are just kids man. Israel will never be able to get rid of the stain and the people of America are waking up to what we are funding.

            You are also making Israel out to be a bastion of rights for minorities or women. When Utah or Alabama are more progressive than you, it doesn’t say much good about your system.

            The slogan is Palestine will be free. It is meant to say that everyone, EVERYONE in the land between the river and the sea will be free. Meaning that Jews and non Jewish arabs should live side by side as equals instead of the evil supremacists system Israel has today.

            I view it as a call for a secular democracy without apartheid, which worked out in South Africa well enough without blood shed. I hope it goes as well in Israel.