Does anyone know what to call this sort of fan optimization or have any reading material on how it works or how to design them? - eviltoast

I’m trying to find out what purpose this type of design serves and how they are designed but have hit a wall with knowing what to even look for.

This piece of the voron stealthburner is the only example I can think of off the top of my head but I have seen them before in some sort of fan duct or funnel thing.

other side

  • FuglyDuck@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    28
    ·
    11 months ago

    just to clarify, you’re talking about the bits whose ends are marked in red circles?

    They’re called stators. In a ducted fan (or similar) they’re used to control the air flow coming off the fan. Usually, it’s fairly turbulent airflow, with a bit of spinning going on. the stators are used to make that turblent flow more smooth and laminar.

    I’m not sure why they have it on the Voron- I assume that’s the fan that cools the hot end heat sink, in which case turbulent flow is not a problem at all. It could be to reduce noise and act as a fan guard, though. Or it could just be cosmetic. probably bit of the last two.

      • FuglyDuck@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        3
        ·
        11 months ago

        Oh yeah. They put a lot of thought into it. I’d say it’s probably one of the more over engineered bits… but they’re all kinds over engineered… heh.

    • Grass@sh.itjust.worksOP
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      2
      ·
      11 months ago

      Sorry I wasn’t as clear as I thought. I mainly meant the cone part but that also is of interest.

      • QuinceDaPence@kbin.social
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        5
        ·
        11 months ago

        The cone shaped hub in the middle? Same reason you’d see a pointed nose or tail on a plane, to reduce drag and turbulence and possibly noise. With some fans it doesn’t really matter but at high enough flows it’ll become worth it to spend the extra money on that part to make it cone shaped.

        Look at airplane propellers. On them that part is called a spinner. On an old, slow, biplane with tons of cables and other draggy parts, it likely wont have one because it’ll make no difference anyway. But on anything that’s the slightest bit sleek you’ll have one because it will significantly reduce drag.

        • Grass@sh.itjust.worksOP
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          11 months ago

          I guess it’s 3d printing so I can just try it and see and redesign if I don’t like it. I have a couple old ek vardar fans that are stupidly loud and finger chopping fast rpm.

          • FuglyDuck@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            3
            ·
            11 months ago

            The hub mostly reduces turbulence in the flow as well. Depending on if it’s on then intake o exhaust , it also has a number of effects.

            As an intake, it compresses the incoming flow, as it comes to the blades with less drag- which makes the fan much more effecient.

            As an exhaust, does the same, but would also expand the cross section (which slows the airflow,) it looks like the duct also constricts, though, so rather than changing the speed of the airflow, it’s removing the center void created by then fan’s own hub.

            Which again smooths out the flow and makes it more effecient for whatever it’s hitting

            • Grass@sh.itjust.worksOP
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              3
              ·
              11 months ago

              Started out ducting various things to other things such as fan to radiator, computer exhaust to outside, or to hanging wet clothes, etc. Then I got rabbit holed into research on different types of fans and how blades and rpm and fan dimensions change various things. A few prints and some purchased fan gadgets had the cone and blades thing and not knowing the names of them has made research difficult. My photo is a hotend heatsink+fan mount and probably the smallest example of this concept I have seen.

              Most of the things I am thinking of making would originally performance first but if sound can be reduced by a measurable amount it would be worth testing.

              • QuinceDaPence@kbin.social
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                1
                ·
                edit-2
                11 months ago

                Ah. So yeah like the other person said those static blades are stators. I havent found a good name for the cone aside from “aft cone” but that’s more for turbines. The stators should help it make pressure (that’s what they do in turbines) but the only reason I see for the aft cone is reduction of turbulence and since this is for cooling the hot end turbulence is actually a positive thing because it reduces the skin of hot air that sits against the heatsink fins.

                If you’re pusing enough air you may benefit from a nose cone but it should probably be more hemispherical. Also an intake cone that’s like a trumpet bell might be beneficial.

                For noise, most is probably in the blades but you may see some reduction by adding a sweep to your stators and/or adding a jaged pattern in some places like all the new jet engines do. Like this: https://www.nasa.gov/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/qtd2_sunrise_3024x2016_0.jpg

                Granted, on the scale we’re talking here all of this will be splitting hairs.