1 big thing: House Dems ditch "Bidenomics" messaging - eviltoast

I don’t blame them. People can’t afford Bidenomics. I see people complaining all the time but elections have consequences.

I make a lot of money, so I am weathering it just fine. I am just not able to save as much as I would like.

As I said previously, I am not a fan of Trump but groceries were much cheaper under Trump. The cost of items was cheaper under Trump.

I can’t think of any way my life was worse under Trump.

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    1 year ago

    Who can truthfully say Biden’s policies have helped them? I can’t.

    I notice the liberals always have crocodile tears over Trump and start a laundry list of things they feel he did wrong but can never articulate how any of those things impacted them.

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      You didn’t mind a man openly calling veteran soldiers chumps and dead soldiers buried in arlington idiots running the govt? Along with all the other rhetoric. As long as groceries are cheap and you aren’t the demographic isn’t being threatened then who gives a shit about everyone else right?

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        So you’re saying that I shouldn’t care about real things like policy, but rather just pointless words that don’t effect anything?

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        That is a rumor. I personally don’t believe it’s true. I get liberals love hearsay but it doesn’t impress me. Where has Trump said that with actual proof? Not we heard it from someone who heard it from someone or some anonymous source.

        It is well-known Trump did things for veterans before he became President.

        What Demographic was impacted by Trump? Be specific. I can’t think of one group that was unfairly impacted by any of his policies.

        https://www.snopes.com/news/2023/10/04/donald-trump-call-troops-suckers-losers/

        In sum, the claim stemmed from a story by The Atlantic, which relied on anonymous, second-hand reports of Trump’s alleged words; there was no independent footage or documented proof to substantiate the in-question comments; and Trump vehemently denies that he once called service members “losers” and “suckers.”

        https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-quiet-acts-kindness/

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          The man only does anything if it’s good for him. He does not have an altruistic bone in his body. Look at his rally speeches. All the man does is complain about people being mean and unfair to him, and then say he’s going to make it better. He called Americans vermin and scum. Then said we need to rid the country of this “vermin.” I can tell you with certainty that every American citizen is in fact a human being. Even if they disagree with Trump.

          And no, that is not the same as calling someone stupid, idiot, or worse. It is likening someone to something so detestable and revolting that it is somehow less than human, vile.

          Words of our public figures matter. Imagine if Joe Biden or Obama said that about Conservatives. I can only imagine the outcry. He is a dangerous insidious selfish man who has no thought for anyone who can’t serve a purpose for him personally.

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            Remember when Hillary said people who support Trump and deplorable. Remember she she said they be “re-educated”, a term for putting people in camps.

            I’d take trumps whining over forced re-education camps any day.

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              Remember when Hillary said people who support Trump and deplorable.

              Remember when Trump said people who didn’t were vermin?

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                  I assume the missing words there are “affected”?

                  Two things, primarily: I spent all of 2020 and most of 2021 sheltering-in-place as a result of Trump’s incompetence at managing COVID-19; and he raised my taxes.

                  In 2016 I voted against him as one of his campaign promises was to terminate FSMA, the Food Safety Modernization Act, which funds my work. (That’s not solely why, of course there was everything else, but the thing that affected me was his promise to make me lose my job. Of course he had no more competence in following through with that promise than he did any of the others, it turned out.)

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      Who can truthfully say Biden’s policies have helped them?

      If we mistakenly believe inflation is caused by the president, then my savings are earning more interest than ever as a direct result of his policies.

      His passage of the infiltration reduction act makes wanting a solar system much more attractive. I haven’t bought a house yet (whose prices are finally falling), but when I do, I’m getting that federal rebate ASAP on a solar system.

      He put $1400 back into our pockets at the beginning of his administration so we could more easily weather the pandemic financially. This has been blamed for causing inflation, but given record profits across various industries and boasts of “price taking”, I’m not buying it.

      Also, not affecting me personally, but he did more to reduce child poverty than any other president in the last 50 years with the passage of the American Rescue Plan. Reducing child poverty is objectively a good thing.

      So…there you go.

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        If we mistakenly believe inflation is caused by the president,

        In this case it was at least partially caused by his policies.

        He put $1400 back into our pockets at the beginning of his administration so we could more easily weather the pandemic financially. I didn’t get that. That is also what caused inflation. When you create money, it drives inflation.

        https://www.npr.org/2023/09/12/1198923453/child-poverty-child-tax-credi-pandemic-aid-census-data

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          Child poverty more than doubles — a year after hitting record low, Census data shows

          Of course that happened. (Just throwing out numbers to make a point) If child poverty started at 100,000 kids in poverty, dropped to 30,000 kids, caused by American Rescue Plan, and then it rose to 60,000 when the rescue plan expired, then the above article headline is true.

          Still, fewer kids in poverty, which is what matters.

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            and then it rose to 60,000 when the rescue plan expired, then the above article headline is true.

            Also of note, it expired because of republican congressmen.

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            THe problem is the Democrats want to keep people in poverty. That is their voting base.

            https://www.debt.org/faqs/americans-in-debt/economic-demographics-democrats/

            Democrats have a huge advantage (63 percent) with voters earning less than $15,000 per year. This advantage carries forward for individuals earning up to $50,000 per year, and then turns in the Republicans’ favor — with just 36 percent of individuals earning more than $200,000 per year supporting Democrats.

            The democrats have no real goal is end poverty. Every time they have tried, they’ve made it worse or put us in further debt, which drives inflation. The solution isn’t taking money from me and giving it to someone else. The solution is to develop skills and grow the jobs available to people. Sometimes you need to have the tough love conversation that if you want to make more, you have to word harder and make sacrafices.

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              I think you have the cause of political support backwards. The poor support Democrats because Republicans want to make the rich richer which comes at the cost of everyone else, not because Democrats sustain poverty.

              And wealth distribution is an effective solution to poverty, economically. Underpaying workers and encouraging them to sign up for food stamps for higher profits, however. And yet, Walmart gets tax cuts and provides jobs to actively sustain poverty in the way you think Democrats do.

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                The Democrats have them hooked on social programs and blaming the rich for their woes. Elon is not rich because someone else is poor. It is a common trope the Democrats throw out that sounds good, but is false.

                I have no interest in wealth distribution. If you want to make more, learn a skill that makes you more available. Taking it from me and giving it to someone else isn’t the way to do it.

                Yet the Democrats have never done anything to correct Walmart’s behavior.

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                  Elon is not rich because someone else is poor.

                  The entire economy is a zero sum game. If I have 100% of the money supply, that necessarily means you have 0%. If we change the amount of people involved in the economy and the distribution, the sum of the proportions of the supply of money will still add up to 100%. So, actually, yes, Elon being as rich as he is necessarily makes others poorer. That is why the top 1% having trilions matters: it’s money that isn’t in other people’s pockets.

                  I have no interest in wealth distribution. If you want to make more, learn a skill that makes you more available.

                  This doesn’t necessarily solve poverty. Poverty is measured by a person having a less than certain amount of money within a time period. A single person in the U.S. that made less than $13,590 in a year was officially in poverty. And the weird thing is that 11.4% in 2022 both had a job and lived below the poverty line.

                  Additionally, I think it was you that mentioned physical therapists are basically required to be a PhD in PT just to do a job that doesn’t even pay all that much!

                  Personal human capital investment doesn’t necessarily lead to a reduction in poverty.

                  Taking it from me and giving it to someone else isn’t the way to do it.

                  Sure! Take it from top 10 U.S. billionaires. We can start and end there. Redistribute their wealth to everyone else, even other billionaires because why not. If you’re correct, it won’t matter: they have skills that make them more available and command a higher rate of remuneration. If you’re wrong, then…we’re down 10 less egotistical billionaires. Win-win.

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      I notice the liberals always have crocodile tears over Trump and start a laundry list of things they feel he did wrong but can never articulate how any of those things impacted them.

      I spent all of 2020 and most of 2021 indoors or masked everywhere else due to Trump’s mismanagement of COVID-19. I strongly suspect that wasn’t an experience limited to me. Of course, millions of Americans can’t answer your question at all because they died of COVID-19.

      Of course the other thing Trump did that personally affected me was that he raised my taxes, so thanks for that!

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        Bro, what? It was China decriminalizing wet markets, knowing the risk for an outbreak. Didnt the CCP themselves say it was a wet market?

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          Do you live in China? I fucking don’t. There’s no reason a virus from a Chinese wet market should ever have been in the United States at fucking all.

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              They don’t spread over oceans, dumbshit, unless you allow infected people to transit over them.

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                Trump was one of the first of the western leaders to close borders with China. He was called racist for it. Do you not remember what happened? It was like 2 years ago.

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                  Trump was one of the first of the western leaders to close borders with China.

                  He didn’t ever close the border with China, though. Flights from China continued to bring people into the US throughout the Trump administration and had not actually ever stopped.

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              It’s TDS. We can talk about what made COVID unique but crashfrog is the only expert who doesn’t think it’s unique.

              What made COVID unique was that most people were asymptomatic. Meaning they didn’t show symptoms. Yet, they could spread the infection. On average it took 5-30 days for the infection to show signs. That is unique as well.

              What that means when trying to contain an outbreak is that it’s very difficult to contain it. By the time China was admitting there was an issue, it had already spread across the world. Even if Trump had isolated every border in the United States, it was already here and would have spread.

              This is nothing more than TDS in full force and ignoring the scientific literature.

              What is often ignored is COVID wasn’t that deadly. That is another reason why it spread so quickly. If COVID had the mortality rate of Ebola, we wouldn’t have asked people to local down. they would have done it naturally.

              The lockdown also was done too early and poorly planned. This was Fauci blowing his load way too early as he was drunk with power.

              If we had someone like Anders in Sweden, we would have done much better. The man knows his stuff, speaks honestly and will admit his mistakes. The public loved him. Osterholm would have been a better choice as well. He spoke from knowledge and factually.

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          Try what again? Yes, the thing that happened to the whole world also happened to me who dwells in it, any other insights you’d like to bring?

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            You are blaming Trump for the response the whole world took. Had you lived in France, you would have had the same thing.

            Had you lived in Sweden, you would not have been burdened with masks, but in the large majority of countries, your experience would have been the same.

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              You are blaming Trump for the response the whole world took.

              No, I’m blaming Trump for the response of the Federal government he was notionally the leader of. I say “notionally”, of course, since the official position of the White House during his administration was that Trump couldn’t and didn’t speak for his own administration, since he was drug-addled and quite literally asleep at the wheel most days (when he wasn’t taking 3 and 4 day weekends, of course.)

              You’re free to make excuses for this loser over and over again, but it’s simply a matter of civic fact that Trump, as President of the United States, was the head of both the FDA and the CDC and all the other agencies to boot.

              Had you lived in Sweden, you would not have been burdened with masks

              Yes, but I didn’t live in Sweden. I lived in the United States, the country Trump was supposedly the President of.

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                since he was drug-addled Trump doesn’t do drugs. He doesn’t drink or smoke. He is a tee totaler.

                I lived in the United States, the country Trump was supposedly the President of.

                Had you lived in a red state, you wouldn’t have had to wear a mask all the time. Maybe you need to talk to your governor or local health department since they made those decisions.

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                  Had you lived in a red state, you wouldn’t have had to wear a mask all the time.

                  I didn’t have to wear a mask at any time in my state, as far as I was aware. The travel “restrictions” were limited to “stay inside unless you’re going somewhere, or going nowhere”, which fully encompasses all of the reasons a person might leave their home so in practice was no restriction whatsoever. I had a C category public health exemption to travel restrictions for work, but then we all started working from home anyway and in any case there was literally zero attempts at enforcement of any travel restriction, anywhere in the US.

                  It’s not the presence of the masks that I care about. It’s the presence of the disease. That’s where Trump completely, utterly failed. You should watch the documentary “Totally Under Control” if you’d like to know more about how. Scott Gottleib’s book on it is pretty good, too.

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        You mean the masks that they’ve admitted did nothing to protect you… Or the vaccine that gives you myocarditis?

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          I haven’t had COVID due to masking and vaccination. I also haven’t had “myocarditis”, whatever that is.