Harris rejects DeSantis’ offer to debate Florida’s new Black history standards - eviltoast

“We will not stop calling out and fighting back against extremist, so-called leaders who try to prevent our children from learning our true and full history,” the vice president said in Florida.

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    1 year ago

    I just can’t seem to believe that, after millenia of constant rhetoric art evolving from Cicero and Iulius Caesar to this day we can’t find ways to circumvent their bad faith traps and actually and credibly strike back while having them lose any support and credibility (since these seem to be their source of perceived power to make such bad faith arguments).

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      1 year ago

      Well in the past people who would like that ended up getting assassinated. So I guess there is a mechanism to deal with them.

      Remember of course sometimes the bad guys do win.

      History does not provide us with a defense against them because history is not a record of what happened, it’s a record of what people want to record. Anytime someone managed to actually admit their mistakes it was just written down as “and lo did the bad guy see the era of their ways. The end, aren’t we wonderful”, because why would it be written any other way, our view won we were clearly correct from the beginning.

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      Its not about the validity of an argument or the ability to expose an intentional blatant fallacy. Its the mental state of those that follow these bad faith actors. These people approach the world with their mind already made up, nothing that is said by anyone other than their chosen leader matters to them. You can stand there and make the bad faith actor look like a fool by the standards of the rest of society, but to the followers of that bad faith actor, what you did doesn’t matter. As long as you are upset in some way, they see it as a win. So attempting to debate with them in any situation is futile.

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      And how many people are well versed in these arts? Enough to see through bad faith tactics

      This is one of many reasons education matters and why Republicans have spent so much time and money systematically attacking public education, including higher education, over the past four or five decades.