Only because rich sociopaths decided that it was better to force the serfs into working at the same times than it was to allow people to work around the clock according to their own sleep schedules. Before you try to tell me that this isn’t a rich people thing, you absolutely can’t convince that it didn’t start that way. Rich people’s money may not trickle down, but their bad opinions and beliefs sure as hell do.
Right, but they’re not going to do their job very well if they’re sleepy. Over time evolution is going to select for the nightwatchers who don’t get sleepy and overlook the shadows in the night, leading to humans who are comfortable being awake at night, and humans who are comfortable being awake during the day. The day humans get food, make clothes, etc for the night humans who make sure the farmers, gatherers, etc are safe when they’re asleep.
Edit: I wonder if there’s a correlation between being ADHD, being a night owl, and gun ownership. ADHD is speculated to be a residual evolutionary trait from when humans were hunter gatherers due to a typically heightened awareness; I wonder how often ADHD humans found themselves as the nightwatch as humans graduated to farming.
I’ve been on night watch. Yes you aren’t as alert when you’re sleepy but that’s just something you have to deal with.
It’s interesting theory that there’s evolutionary nocturnal humans but I’m not sure how concrete that is. In any case, humans being diurnal isn’t contingent on absolutely everyone being like that. It’s just the default with most being like that.
You shouldn’t disturb other people whether they’re asleep or awake. Buying a pair of slippers or flip flops for indoors and not slamming doors and cupboards isn’t exactly a monumental ask at any time of day.
I’m very confused by this statement.
Does nobody in Belgium really go to bed before 10?
If you knew your neighbor had to be up by 4am every day and had a child, and knew they had to go to bed by 8, would you not try to be nice if they were nice in kind?
Never worked nightshifts?
The cleaning crew at the hotel on my last business trips are always extremely noisy. But I’ve just hit the bed after my shift, some breakfast and a beer.
Would be nice to at least once get 6 full hours of sleep…
I have not but I simpathise for you.
I tried to word my reply to indicate that there were cases that didn’t follow my rule of thumb… Cases like yours it makes sense to wake up… Frankly whenever.
Why? Night owls aren’t allowed to sleep until they wake up by themselves?
Morning persons are allowed to fall asleep whenever they want. You don’t see us shouting just because you are already asleep before 12 'o clock.
Day time just is the default living time
I get up at 6 and go to bed at 10 for work but I’m gonna be honest anytime before 9 am or after midnight is quiet hours imo
Only because rich sociopaths decided that it was better to force the serfs into working at the same times than it was to allow people to work around the clock according to their own sleep schedules. Before you try to tell me that this isn’t a rich people thing, you absolutely can’t convince that it didn’t start that way. Rich people’s money may not trickle down, but their bad opinions and beliefs sure as hell do.
Doesn’t it come from farming and probably even before that, with humans being diurnal
And what about the humans who kept watch at night?
They kept watch so rest of the tribe could sleep.
Right, but they’re not going to do their job very well if they’re sleepy. Over time evolution is going to select for the nightwatchers who don’t get sleepy and overlook the shadows in the night, leading to humans who are comfortable being awake at night, and humans who are comfortable being awake during the day. The day humans get food, make clothes, etc for the night humans who make sure the farmers, gatherers, etc are safe when they’re asleep.
Edit: I wonder if there’s a correlation between being ADHD, being a night owl, and gun ownership. ADHD is speculated to be a residual evolutionary trait from when humans were hunter gatherers due to a typically heightened awareness; I wonder how often ADHD humans found themselves as the nightwatch as humans graduated to farming.
I’ve been on night watch. Yes you aren’t as alert when you’re sleepy but that’s just something you have to deal with.
It’s interesting theory that there’s evolutionary nocturnal humans but I’m not sure how concrete that is. In any case, humans being diurnal isn’t contingent on absolutely everyone being like that. It’s just the default with most being like that.
Depends on how far we’re talking here. 8pm bedtime? Reasonable. 4pm bedtime? Yeah no I’m not tiptoeing for you.
Similarly, 8am wakeup? Ok I’ll tiptoe if I can. Noon? Probably no.
“I only respect people who live similarly to me”
You shouldn’t disturb other people whether they’re asleep or awake. Buying a pair of slippers or flip flops for indoors and not slamming doors and cupboards isn’t exactly a monumental ask at any time of day.
I think that’s fair and true so long as both parties can talk about it and come to an agreement and understanding.
8pm bedtime is not reasonable to us. In Belgium the law says we can make noise until 10 before neighbors are allowed to call the police.
So by your logic, I can keep shouting next to the place you try to sleep for an other 2 hours.
I’m very confused by this statement. Does nobody in Belgium really go to bed before 10? If you knew your neighbor had to be up by 4am every day and had a child, and knew they had to go to bed by 8, would you not try to be nice if they were nice in kind?
Never worked nightshifts?
The cleaning crew at the hotel on my last business trips are always extremely noisy. But I’ve just hit the bed after my shift, some breakfast and a beer.
Would be nice to at least once get 6 full hours of sleep…
I have not but I simpathise for you. I tried to word my reply to indicate that there were cases that didn’t follow my rule of thumb… Cases like yours it makes sense to wake up… Frankly whenever.