1hr 45mins?!
It’s a podcast. Most people listen to it while doing other things and don’t watch it in a single sitting.
If you don’t want to watch it, then don’t, but it really is a great podcast.
Damn, Sweet Brown. Ain’t seen her in forever!
Lineage OS is really great, I recommend the forked version with MicroG bundled to use google apps.
Depends on how pure you want to be. If you are a purest, that is a bad thing to do.
Well yes you are right, but being completely pure is borderline impossible IMO, and most people transition slowly.
True. I have been using Lineage with no gapps package for a bit over 4 years now. I no longer even have a google account as of almost 2 years ago.
I want to move away from GSF, how is MicroG working nowadays? I used it some years ago but it was buggy with any app related to mapping, and some other quirks.
It works perfectly in my case can’t say for others. You should check their issues page in github about your device.
Works perfectly fine for me. I’ve also used an app that used Google Maps in it and it worked perfectly fine. Instead of Google Maps it displayed the map on OpenStreetMap.
Or, just skip that step altogether
If you aren’t sure if you can fully degoogle then it a great offer. Unfortunately many apps depend on GSF so its understandable.
Is it equal to a regular android? Will the usual banking apps work on it, for example?
The Sparkasse (german bank) app works perfectly fine. I use LineageOS with microG and I’m not logged in with a Google account or anything.
No. Banking won’t work and you can’t lock bootloader. As far as I know there’s no Recovery password so someone could just adb and pull data. If you want to use banking apps you could use magisk to pass safety net but that will make your phone less secure. Personally I have no banking app so I don’t give a shit
Honestly, Custom ROMs have been in decline of usage since few years. There are also Other ROMS like Pixel Experience, PixyOS, Havoc, evolutionX, PixelOS, Paranoid, Derpfest, CrDroid and lot more.
The reason for the drop is due to a combination of reasons like better OEM UI, unpublished Kernel code (Chinese OEMs, Mediatek), locked bootloaders and Safetynet issues.
I’m currently rocking CrDroid it has currently ~85K active devices (https://stats.crdroid.net/).
Do custom ROMs still have issues with some apps not allowing them? It’s been an eternity since I tried one and I don’t know if it’s a hard requirement, but at least when I did try it, I had (?) to root my device and my bank apps refused to work after that.
Many applications especially banks require Google Safetynet to be functional, even without root. I am running DivestOS, a hardened version of LineageOS without gapps, and I can’t have access on my bank because I chose freedom. Democracy at its finest…
I haven’t encountered such a thing yet (been using for 5 months).
There are lot of methods to bypass those checks even now, and often many ROMs do this by default. (LineageOS doesn’t do that afaik)
Some banking or payment apps can detect root and won’t let you use them.
When I used to run Custom ROMs I just used magisk to hide the root and these apps would work fine afterwards.
Safetynet issues
Fun part of this is that it relies entirelly on Googles tracking framework.
Before i got my Pixel 6 Pro, i’ve been running Custom Roms on everything. The Pixel 6 Pro is probably the first device, i’m actually okay running Stock. It just does what it should. And i’ll be honest, the hassle of getting it to work properly (Banking, Netflix, etc) is just too much for my everyday phone…Google really did a number on that one, both positive and negative. I kind of hate it…
Ironically that’s one of the only phones that you have the choice of not running stock
Not it isn’t. Plenty of OEMs let you unlock the bootloader.
That isn’t the only factor though. Take OnePlus, for example. You can still unlock their bootloaders, but if you check out XDA you’ll see that their hasn’t been any custom roms for a OnePlus flagship since the 9 pro because they stopped publishing the MSM tool, so the risk of bricking the phone is too great.
I guess the same thing is happened with samsung after the s10 series. No new roms for the newer ones apart from 1 or 2 oneui based roms.
better OEM UI
Very subjective.
Unpublished kernel code
Don’t use those phones.
Locked bootloaders
Plenty of OEMs allow bootloader unlocking, stop buying Samsung.
Safetynet issues
It’s Google Play Integrity checking now, and as someone who has been using LinageOS on unrooted phones for a while, I’ve never had these issues. Not to say people out there aren’t having them, but it’s not as bleak as people seem to believe it is.
I have one phone that’s rooted, and I have to use magisk to hide it, and that occasionally has issues, but not the non-rooted ones running custom roms.
I’m talking from a general user perspective who often can’t even differentiate between chipsets let alone look for such details.
People used to got to Custom ROMs because OEMs were really doing shit job, that’s not the case now given now.
People used to got to Custom ROMs because OEMs were really doing shit job, that’s not the case now given now.
Yep. I used to use custom (ROMs, kernels, etc) for the extra features and playing with my phone like a shiny new toy. Now I use GrapheneOS because OEMs and Google don’t do security and privacy anywhere near as good as GOS. And I can live with the minor inconvenience of apps that use Play Integrity API, though I do encourage the app devs to switch to hardware backed attestation because: “Android’s hardware attestation API provides a much stronger form of attestation than the Play Integrity API with the ability to whitelist the keys of alternate operating systems. It also avoids an unnecessary dependency on Google Play services and Google’s Play Integrity servers.” https://grapheneos.org/articles/attestation-compatibility-guide
I used LineageOS before switching to GrapheneOS
Why did you switch?
- Quarantined google play services on an alternate profile was a big sell for me. I don’t use anything google related in my day to day but occasionally I need traffic updates or alternative routes and I’m forced to use google maps. There’s a few other exceptions where I very rarely will need to use google play services.
In those situations, I can boot to an alternate profile for each app I need to use, and I know google is unable to harvest the majority of my data.
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GrapheneOS has hardened security compared to lineageOS.
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LineageOS did some type of takeover on cyanogenmod and I forget the details but I remember the whole situation left a sour taste in my mouth.
LineageOS did some type of takeover on cyanogenmod and I forget the details but I remember the whole situation left a sour taste in my mouth.
CyanogenMod was the one that went commercial and was shut down. LineageOS is the continuation of the original vision. Kinda like OpenOffice vs LibreOffice.
In 2013, the founder, Stefanie Jane,[11][12] obtained venture funding under the name Cyanogen Inc. to allow commercialization of the project.[1][13] However, the company did not, in her view, capitalize on the project’s success, and in 2016 she left or was forced out[14] as part of a corporate restructure, which involved a change of CEO, closure of offices and projects, and cessation of services,[15][16] and therefore left uncertainty over the future of the company. The code itself, being open source, was later forked, and its development continues as a community project under the LineageOS name.
They forked it when it was announced they were going to shut it down. Not sure what the issue with that is.
It’s hard to find estimates of android devices, but most reports I found indicate around 3 billion, and this makes us around 0,05%. I expected it to be low, but not like that…
But how much of that is phones? There’s a lot of other devices running Android.
Billion or million? :P
Will be +1 when have official support for the poco X5 pro. (If I can pay with mobile)
🤓
(If I can pay with mobile)
Correct me if I’m wrong, but so long as you root with Magisk and configure the denylist, installing the SafetyNet Fix and changing the Props if you need to spoof a device ID, then you’ll always be able to use Google Pay/contactless, regardless of whether on Lineage or another custom ROM.
And some applications still refuse to launch on it, preferring an outdated version of Android because Google does not send its security updates after 3 years.
Lineage os is great
I’ve changed thanks to not having any update on my Moto G7 Power since 2021.
Here you can take a look at popularity by device
And it could’ve even been useful, had they not chosen to show the code names instead of the make and model…
Does this include devices running unofficial ports of lineageOS?
Represent
How did they measure this?
I don’t know the exact modus operandi, but usually this is achieved by using some “phone home” mechanism which sends a device identifier (to ensure uniqueness) along with an OS version (and maybe some other fingerprints to ensure integrity of the data - like a hash of CPU hardware, etc).
How do I get one with it preinstalled?
Put simply, you don’t. If your phone is supported and the documentation is there, the installation is a breeze.
No. If it was easy to install then there would be a installation guide on the phone. Not even a installation program available on the computer to assist.
There is OpenAndroidInstaller which looks great, but is still in Beta so I’m not sure if I would use it.
This is 100% unofficial. Phone makers don’t want you to install third party roms (they cease having any control, won’t receive analytics, can’t push ads etc). Why should they help you out? They’ll do the bare minimum (or less) that is required for you, the owner, to be able to use third party roms.
That is sad
Buy one from someone who does the installing on sites like Ebay
I had LineageOS on my Nexus 4. Every damn phone I’ve had since hasn’t had any custom ROM available (and one couldn’t even be rooted; fuck Samsung). I want it back.
It’s my daily for my only phone. But I also run it on my 10 year old Nexus 7 because it’s still supported and a good experience.
