Iran’s Revolutionary Guards vowed on Sunday to target ‘Israeli’ Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu as the war with ‘Israel’ and the United States continues.
“If this child-killing criminal is alive, we will continue to pursue and kill him with full force,” said the Guards on their website Sepah News.
Is anyone claiming that this isn’t a reasonable stance for them to take?
Like, plenty of people I’m sure don’t want them to succeed, but I don’t think anyone is a shocked Pikachu that they want to.
Iran hasn’t been historically shy about calling for people’s deaths, and as you say, their head of state was just killed. Of course they want to retaliate. That is the natural and expected thing for them to want.
It may or may not be a good thing if they’re able to succeed, depending on your perspective. But I don’t think anyone thinks it would be an “unfair” thing of them to do.
Why don’t you want them to succeed with killing Netanyahu? Steven Universe reasons?
I didn’t say that, for one. For two, I have no idea what “Stephen Universe reasons” means.
In general, I don’t cheer for escalation in the Middle East. I think bombing Iran was bad. I think bombing Israel would also be bad. I can agree that Netanyahu is bad without championing for more bombs.
The ideal would be that he is removed from office and tried for war crimes. Not that we have a continuing and escalating war.
Why?
Bombings are always the result of failure. Violence is the final refuge of the incompetent. Sometimes necessary certainly, but never correct with appropriate foresight.
And revenge being the reason behind any action is foolish. It’s like making the focus of prison punishment instead of rehabilitation. When you drop bombs, it should be with particular policy goals in mind.
I also think that it would be preferable if things in the Middle East got calmer, not more escalated. If I had the choice between less violence there and more, I will certainly chose the less.
So, we then have to define what we mean by “bombing Israel.” Wanton bombing I can see no argument for that isn’t simply punitive, which is clearly bad under the aforementioned criteria.
There may be an argument for a targeted strike to just target Netanyahu. You have to ask yourself what the goals and effects of such a strike would be. I think it is unlikely to greatly change Israel’s posture. Netanyahu is unpopular domestically, as is this war, but the nation of Israel has a history of rallying around martyrs that would probably overwhelm any gains by having Netanyahu out of the picture. This would also likely lead towards an even greater retaliatory strike against Iran (which, again, would also be bad.)
So what’s the benefit of bombing Israel other than “it makes me feel good to hurt a bad guy”? Why is it actually good?
Famously, bombings did not bring down Nazi Germany and imperial japan. Of course! Every intelligent person understands this!
I didn’t say bombings were always a failure. I said they were always the result of failure.
Or is your argument that there was literally zero chance to stop the fascist decline of Germany at any point prior to full scale war?
So you’re literally just stating random stuff without adding anything to the conversation? Is this some elaborate troll?
Yes, bombing is a result of failure. Unfortunately, the failure has happened. Only way to correct that failure is to bomb Israel, since Israel will not go “yeah guys we’re dissolving this settler colonial state because we don’t want to get bombed in retaliation by people we ethnically cleansed and are genociding, since, uk, bombing is the result of failure”
Liberals, turning “failure” into an abstraction, bereft of any actual, concrete goals
Some violence is self defense, like in this case. It may not be our favorite thing, but if you’re up against fascists in power the only thing that can stop them is violence. If you don’t, you’re just letting them genocide literally everyone they want, which isn’t just extremely cruel and abominable, but it’s also stupid, as the enemy of the state is a moving target and for every genocide they accomplish they move on to the next. It’s a matter of time until you or your loved ones are declared the enemy. What then? How can you resist genocidal violence if not with self-defense?
Killing Netanyahu wouldn’t be great self defense, on the contrary. What Iran and Iran-controlled factions are doing now is the better “self defense” violence: target assets that have a deep value for the US and their allies.
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Ah ok: you’re a Zionist who was just pretending to do the “both sides thing”. You couldn’t help but give yourself away though, lol
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We know very well that Israel want to extands it settler colonialism project. What do you expect Iran to do?
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To accomplish the grester israel they need to destroy completly Iran who is the only country who is arming resistance groups
Israel is the real sponsor of terrorism and you are trying to whitewash it
Not just their head of state, also his daughter, son-in-law, and grandchild. Also multiple leaders from one chain of command across 3 layers.
That would be like killing Trump, Ivanka, Jared, their child, AND Vance, Mike Johnson, and McConnel all in a single night.
This seem like a fair trade. Just for funsies throw in Newsom.