Iran’s Revolutionary Guards vowed on Sunday to target ‘Israeli’ Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu as the war with ‘Israel’ and the United States continues.

“If this child-killing criminal is alive, we will continue to pursue and kill him with full force,” said the Guards on their website Sepah News.

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    Bombings are always the result of failure. Violence is the final refuge of the incompetent. Sometimes necessary certainly, but never correct with appropriate foresight.

    And revenge being the reason behind any action is foolish. It’s like making the focus of prison punishment instead of rehabilitation. When you drop bombs, it should be with particular policy goals in mind.

    I also think that it would be preferable if things in the Middle East got calmer, not more escalated. If I had the choice between less violence there and more, I will certainly chose the less.

    So, we then have to define what we mean by “bombing Israel.” Wanton bombing I can see no argument for that isn’t simply punitive, which is clearly bad under the aforementioned criteria.

    There may be an argument for a targeted strike to just target Netanyahu. You have to ask yourself what the goals and effects of such a strike would be. I think it is unlikely to greatly change Israel’s posture. Netanyahu is unpopular domestically, as is this war, but the nation of Israel has a history of rallying around martyrs that would probably overwhelm any gains by having Netanyahu out of the picture. This would also likely lead towards an even greater retaliatory strike against Iran (which, again, would also be bad.)

    So what’s the benefit of bombing Israel other than “it makes me feel good to hurt a bad guy”? Why is it actually good?

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      Bombings are always the result of failure

      Famously, bombings did not bring down Nazi Germany and imperial japan. Of course! Every intelligent person understands this!

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        I didn’t say bombings were always a failure. I said they were always the result of failure.

        Or is your argument that there was literally zero chance to stop the fascist decline of Germany at any point prior to full scale war?

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          So you’re literally just stating random stuff without adding anything to the conversation? Is this some elaborate troll?

          Yes, bombing is a result of failure. Unfortunately, the failure has happened. Only way to correct that failure is to bomb Israel, since Israel will not go “yeah guys we’re dissolving this settler colonial state because we don’t want to get bombed in retaliation by people we ethnically cleansed and are genociding, since, uk, bombing is the result of failure”

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          Liberals, turning “failure” into an abstraction, bereft of any actual, concrete goals

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      Some violence is self defense, like in this case. It may not be our favorite thing, but if you’re up against fascists in power the only thing that can stop them is violence. If you don’t, you’re just letting them genocide literally everyone they want, which isn’t just extremely cruel and abominable, but it’s also stupid, as the enemy of the state is a moving target and for every genocide they accomplish they move on to the next. It’s a matter of time until you or your loved ones are declared the enemy. What then? How can you resist genocidal violence if not with self-defense?

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        Killing Netanyahu wouldn’t be great self defense, on the contrary. What Iran and Iran-controlled factions are doing now is the better “self defense” violence: target assets that have a deep value for the US and their allies.

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          But let’s not lose sight of the fact that the country that was bombed literally murdered forty thousand protesters in the past month.

          Ah ok: you’re a Zionist who was just pretending to do the “both sides thing”. You couldn’t help but give yourself away though, lol

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              Acknowledging that Iran killed forty thousand protesters makes me a Zionist? I’m not sure I follow.

              It took months for Israel to kill 40,000 Palestinians when they were bombing Gaza, how can you believe that Iran could pull that off in days? Israel wasn’t able to hide what they did either because Palestinians have phones, so where’s the video evidence coming out of Iran? They disposed of 40,000 bodies and we can’t see it from satellite images or phones? It’s nonsense.

              If you swallow the Zionist propaganda that Iran is somehow even more bloodthirsty than Israel, you’re a Zionist.

              Iran likely killed somewhere between Iran’s official count of 3,000 people and the HRANA count of 7,000, a lot of them rioters that were armed by CIA/Mossad and were shooting cops and burning down government buildings. There were certainly unarmed people who were also shot, but the situation on the ground was chaotic and it’s hard to distinguish armed targets during a riot.

              The “protests” were the original US/Israeli plan to overthrow the government, and they failed. This war is the backup plan.

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                  Compare again to the sub-10 number of protesters killed in Minneapolis.

                  There weren’t hostile enemy nations arming the protesters in Minneapolis, and they weren’t hunting down cops and soldiers. 209 government-affiliated military and non-military personnel were killed during the riots. The situations are not so easily comparable.

                  This wasn’t protest, it was attempted color revolution. Was Iran supposed to let them overthrow the government?

                  I think it’s unnecessarily conspiratorial to lay it all at the feet of the US.

                  We know Mossad was involved, because they openly admitted it. Mossad’s official Farsi X (Twitter) account posted: “We are with you. Not only from a distance and verbally. We are with you in the field.” Mossad Director David Barnea’s gave a statement following the June 2025 strikes, warning that Israel “will continue to be there [in Iran], as we have been there.” Mike Pompao came out to say; “Happy New Year to every Iranian in the streets. Also to every Mossad agent walking beside them." We also know they helped distribute satellite internet connections for Starlink to evade media blackouts, and operated social media channels to help coordinate the riots.

                  CIA is less obvious, they actually have OpSec and know not to brag that they have agents in the streets. It’s hard to believe that the CIA left Israel on its own to conduct this operation, though. Also, the rioters got their guns from somewhere.

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      We know very well that Israel want to extands it settler colonialism project. What do you expect Iran to do?

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          To accomplish the grester israel they need to destroy completly Iran who is the only country who is arming resistance groups

          Israel is the real sponsor of terrorism and you are trying to whitewash it